In this widely watched interview with Middle East Eye, Yasmin Porat describes being kidnapped from a kibbutz by Hamas (translation provided by Middle East Eye):

Yasmin Porat: We shouted at that point to the special forces who had gotten there to stop shooting, and they heard me and they stopped. And I saw on the grass of the kibbutz there, five or six hostages lying on the ground outside, from the massacre, in the line of fire between our forces and the terrorists

Aryeh Golan (Interviewer): The terrorists shot at them?

YP: No. They were wounded in the exchange of fire. There was heavy firing going on.

AG: So they could have been shot by our own forces while they were trying to eliminate kidnappers?

YP: Absolutely. It's painful for me, they fired on everyone there, including the hostages.

Is the translation accurate? Are there corroborating accounts?

  • Are you asking if they killed hostages? If that is the case it isn't what the question title is suggesting.
    – Joe W
    Oct 17 at 13:50
  • @JoeW she says "hostages" though probably not the ones taken to Gaxa..Anyway, I have changes it to avoid that confusion
    – Abdullah
    Oct 17 at 13:57
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    I am strongly tempted to close this as a current event. It seems unlikely we will get better evidence for some time.
    – Oddthinking
    Oct 17 at 15:05
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    It's worth noting that even the original claim doesn't present it as a verified fact...AG prompts YP with speculation about whether it's possible, and YP admits it was in fact possible, in a way that indicates that he himself believes it. Nobody is claiming to know exactly where each bullet came from, unless something was lost in translation. Oct 18 at 20:20
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    @C.F.G: The claim there is most people were killed by the IDF. Your objection is unreasonable.
    – Oddthinking
    Nov 26 at 8:01

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TRT World with the following title: Israel's army helicopter hits Israeli festivalgoers during Hamas attack — report reported that:

The Haaretz newspaper said on Saturday an Israeli security assessment was based on an investigation by police with Hamas fighters who were arrested on October 7.

Haaretz reported that the military helicopter arrived at the site of the festival and opened fire on the fighters but also wounded several festival participants.

It said, according to the assessment, the gunmen had no prior information about the festival which was held close to the Kibbutz Re'im, near the borders with Gaza.

Middle East Monitor shared an interview with Israeli pilot Nof Erez: Israeli Colonel Nof Erez discusses October 7 operation and the Hannibal Directive. (see also on YouTube)

According to Erez, the Hannibal Protocol, which Israel is believed to have suspended in 2016, was formulated by the Israeli army 30 years ago based on events in Lebanon.

"The Hannibal Protocol is intentional, and if the decision was made to implement it, it is carried out intentionally. If the captives were unintentionally shot, that's another matter," the pilot said on the October 7 attack, when Hamas fighters infiltrated areas surrounding the strip, including the festival near the settlement of Re'im.

Erez said that on that day, it is unknown whether Israeli warplanes and drones hit hostages while firing. He said

"The Hannibal (Protocol), for which we have been running drills for the past 20 years, concerns a single vehicle with hostages in it. You know which part of the fence it goes through, which way on the road it heads to, and even which route it takes,".

"What we’ve seen here is mass Hannibal. There were many gaps in the fences. There were thousands of people in many different vehicles, both with and without hostages."

Erez, who coordinated a helicopter mission to evacuate wounded during Israel's ongoing attacks on Gaza, said

"It was an impossible task to identify and do what was allowed."

"I know that whoever held the weapons systems, both the drones and the fighter pilots, did whatever they could without coordinating with the ground forces, because these forces were not yet there."

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    This entire answer furnishes nothing more than vague rumors, evidence-free. Even these rumors never mention anything about "killing," which is the claim.
    – YouDontSay
    Nov 23 at 16:32
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    @YouDontSay: What the pilot say is rumor??? Secondly, you want the official say that "Yes we killed them?"
    – C.F.G
    Nov 23 at 17:03
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    pilot says, 'who knows'? This forum is about evidence, not guesses
    – YouDontSay
    Nov 23 at 17:15
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    While the "Hannibal Protocol" was for periods of time a semi-official order it was never executed in reality, and was canceled around 2016-2017
    – Rsf
    Nov 24 at 12:15
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    FWIW, some horrific realities of what might have happened to some on October 7th have come to light; from Haaretz translated via Wikipedia: “…only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions — including shelling houses with all their occupants inside in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages — did the IDF complete the takeover of the kibbutz. The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri people were killed.” Nov 26 at 3:45

The pro-Netanyahu Israeli paper, Israel Hayom reported on December 6 (in Hebrew) about a meeting between freed abductees and members of the Israeli War Cabinet.

Quotes from the abductees were provided, without giving their names.

משוחררת נוספת שנחטפה מביתה עם ילדיה סיפרה: "התחושה שהייתה לנו שם, קודם כל, גם בלוחמה פסיכולוגית, היא שאף אחד לא עושה למעננו דבר. העובדה שאני הייתי במסתור שהופגז ונאלצנו להיות מוברחים ופצועים, לא כולל מטוס הקרב שירה עלינו בדרך לעזה. התחושה היא שאין לכם מושג מה קורה שם בכלל, אתם טוענים שיש מודיעין אבל העובדה היא שאנחנו מופגזים.

Google translation:

Another freed woman who was abducted from her home with her children said: "The feeling we had there, first of all, even in psychological warfare, was that no one was doing anything for us. The fact that I was in hiding when it was shelled and we had to be smuggled out and wounded, not including the fighter plane that fired at us on the way to Gaza. The feeling is that you have no idea what's going on there at all, you claim that there is intelligence, but the fact is that we are being bombed.

  • This passage does not describe killings, and does not describe the same situation as the original question.
    – Oddthinking
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