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In a video podcast episode, Covid, Ivermectin and the Crime of the Century, the host Bret Weinstein says of his guest, Dr Pierre Kory, President of the FLCCC:

Bret Weinstein: [...] Dr. Kory is not only an advocate for a therapy that is incredibly useful in the context of COVID-19 but he is also someone who pioneered treatments already that are now the standard of care for COVID-19 patients. [...]

Dr Pierre Kory: Our first protocol included blood thinners and cortico-steroids at a time when every national and international society basically said that there's insufficient evidence and do not use it. They thought cortical steroids were harmful. I was actually invited to give senate testimony in May where I testified in the senate that it was critical to use cortico-steroids, lives are being lost. [...] We were totally criticized for not having an evidence based approach. We actually did, our reading of the evidence was that you had to use it. That was the first component of a protocol. Like you said, Ivermectin was not in our protocol initially.

Bret Weinstein: You discovered as clinicians that cortico-steroids and blood thinners were important in the treatment of COVID patients and trying to make this point you were criticized and then vindicated, this is now the standard of care.

Is the claim that Dr. Pierre Kory innovated using cortico-steroids for treating COVID-19 patients and that it's now the standard of care to treat them that way correct?

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    I edited away the censorship claims. It wasn't germaine to the actual claim. We already have an open question about whether he is being censored, so assuming it as a premise without references isn't reasonable here.
    – Oddthinking ♦
    Jun 20, 2021 at 7:18
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    This is actually quite difficult to answer, properly. Was he among the first to use & advocate then non-standard therapy? Is what he said back then now used – in the same way he advertised (which will need some evaluation commentary)? Plus: what is 'the' standard of care? Is there one? Where? Do we need a timeframe (as it will continue to change). Standard of care in most of India had/has Ivermectin in it, Chinese guides listed TCM formulas etc. As I read it, the answer to this complex thing needs to be historical and long? Do you see a way to focus it further?
    – LangLаngС
    Jun 20, 2021 at 19:59
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    steroids were adopted as part of covid treatment after convincing results in large trials like RECOVERY. did Kory advocate them before that? Possibly, but whether his advocacy was remotely connected to the trials is not obvious (timelines and references might tell us). In any case, even if he was right once, doesn't mean his judgement is right this time on ivermectin where trial results are inconsistent. We don't decide treatments because advocates recommend them: we do it because large, high quality trials have shown they work.
    – matt_black
    Jun 21, 2021 at 13:27
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    @matt_black : It's interesting that you suggest that deciding about which treatments we do isn't about meta-analysis of trials, besides that, Oddthinking decided to edit the context away. This post wasn't about how we decide treatement but about who should be able to speak in the debate about treatments without being censored.
    – Christian
    Jun 28, 2021 at 11:02
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    @Christian The rules of evidence can be abused: recent online testimony allowed people to claim before state hearing that the covid vaccine mede people magnetic. Whether online sources have been overzealous is not for me to say, but surely allowing the propagation of nonsense is bad (january 6th!!) so somebody has to draw a line. The correct approach for advocates is peer reviewed publications, but one publication doesn't make a convincing case: you need good, high quality, large studies not a preponderance of small, poor ones...
    – matt_black
    Jun 28, 2021 at 19:29

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The question is -

Has Dr. Pierre Kory pioneered treatments that are now the standard of care for COVID-19 patients?

The CDC treatment guidelines do mention steroids but I do not see any mention of blood thinners.

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    The question is not about whether subsequent suggestion are automatically effective but whether it's reasonable for a big tech platform to censor such a person.
    – Christian
    Jun 20, 2021 at 18:53
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    I understand that I had a comment within my answer - I deleted it for clarity. I did answer the actual stated question which was about whether his past work has become part of the standard of care. If you want to ask about the reasonableness of youtube's actions (or if they followed there own policy) that would be a different question.
    – George White
    Jun 20, 2021 at 19:07
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    @Christian It seems the "censorship" is specifically related to content promoting a particular treatment that lacks evidence. It's kind of irrelevant what else he has done.
    – Bryan Krause
    Jun 21, 2021 at 0:33
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    @BryanKrause That's evidently wrong. Whenever Kory speaks he presents sth he sees as evidence. Presentation & discussion of said evidence is censored. One isn't allowed to know or to weigh it. His ideas in fact are usually better supportable than masks, lockdowns or even vaccines for ppl <70. Only the censors say in Kory's case that his ideas are anathema and must be destroyed. They never destroyed a pro-mask video, never a let's vax newborns, zero good evidence or even ethics in favour of those, but in censors' eyes those are allowed beliefs. Perversion is: presenting evidence is censored.
    – LangLаngС
    Jun 21, 2021 at 7:56
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    @LangLangC That is not my impression at all with his statements about ivermectin. He claims there is strong evidence for it's efficacy and that this evidence is being censored, but does not produce evidence that is high-quality and ignores the evidence that it doesn't actually work. That's misinformation. There are places to debate the science but YouTube isn't it.
    – Bryan Krause
    Jun 21, 2021 at 14:07

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