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I have read articles about war events in Armenia-Azerbaijan, mentioning Azeri drone or loitering munition attacks on Armenian anti-aircraft missile batteries. Specially, there is one Armenian S-300 battery said to have been destroyed by such an attack.

There is a video relayed in some article that is said to show the drone attack on the S-300 battery. However, it looks like everyone took and relayed the info but those elements are evidently not sufficient proofs. There are no explosions or any other way to acknowledge the destruction of the system in the video. The final frame(s) show the radar being targeted

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I am not a military expert but can someone identify a system in such a video? Are there any other sources (videos, combat reports, etc.) that confirm the report of the S-300 being destroyed?

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  • @F1Krazy: thanks for the edition, I re-added the term "loitering munition" because it is a true term for some kind of weapons (like IAI Harop) and I saw this word used for weapons used by Azeris – totalMongot Jan 10 at 17:20
  • The video is not seem to depict S-300s being attacked. It is really poor quality, but three things point to it not being S-300: 1) the vehicles are stand-alone. 2) they do not depict the S-300 typical launch tubes, and do not look like the S-300 command and control vehicles 3) all vehicles in the video appears to have a rotary antenna, which none of the S-300 vehicles have. If I was to guess, I would say the vehicles in the video are 9K33 Osa, NATO reporting name "SA-8 Gecko". The 1 big oval + 2 small + 1 rotary configuration indicates that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K33_Osa – MichaelK Jan 10 at 17:37
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I can't speak to its destruction, but the radar appears to be a 36D6 (which is shot from a high-angle). This type of radar is sometimes used to augment S-300 batteries, according to Polish Wikipedia.

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According to the very sketchy Russian Wikipedia page for it, the broader name of the radar system is ST-68, with several other similarly looking models in existence: ST-68 (5N59), ST-68U (19J6 or 19G6, depending on translation), ST-68UM (35D6 / 36D6). More photos here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:ST-68U

The one in the video might actually be one of the earlier models ST-68U (19G6 / 19J6) based on the presence of the small inner antennae, apparently absent in later models

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Furthermore, there is another video from the same "Caliber" source showing something that appears to be a transport-erector-launcher (TEL) being targeted, which could be an S-300 TEL.

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In the 1st video of that series, the Az "Caliber" media source claims the attack took place in the region of Qubadli (Губадлы). It's hard to find independent verification of such claims, publicly posted, anyway.

The Az ministry of def posted on Oct 17 a different video showing some explosions and claiming destruction of an S-300. It's possible the earlier vids (Oct 10-11) just show some scouting missions, or maybe it was a different attack. I've read in some commentary that you see in the latter video is a strike by a LORA missile, but the target is pretty hard to discern.

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  • "Caliber" doesn't seem to be the exclusive source of these vids; the TEL targeting has also been posted by "Military News" without the Caliber logo youtube.com/watch?v=IaLeYemgLjc And likewise for the radar targeting youtube.com/watch?v=J8GZaKHoaUw posted by "AzVision English". I'm guessing the original source is some Az ministry video(s), but I can't locate it/them. – Fizz Jan 10 at 21:59
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It does not appear to be an S-300 battery

The question is: "I am not a military expert but can someone identify a system in such a video?"

Short answer, yes.

Long answer: ideally, anyone attempting to identify vehicles would want more than just a few seconds of video compressed to near oblivion. Context, in the form of video of the surroundings would also be preferable.

However, it is a fairly quick job to say what it is not, and as far as I can tell from the video, this is not an S-300 system being attacked.

  1. (00:03) Obviously a Main Battle Tank being attacked. Not any vehicle in S-300 family.
  2. (00:24) Two turreted tracked vehicles with long gun barrels. Very likely MBTs, or possible some kind of infantry fighting vehicles. Also it has infantry moving with them. Not any vehicle in S-300 family.
  3. (00:44) Hard to make out, but it obviously has a rotary antenna, and what looks like one large and two smaller flat panels. This matches none of the vehicles in the S-300 family.
  4. (00:55) Even harder to see, but it does appear to have a smaller rotating antenna, and one can clearly see a big flat area, a circle with cropped sides.
  5. (01:10) Again a rotary, and again, a vertical flat area flanked by two smaller.

In none of the three later, there are any other vehicles shown.

Of Armenia's Defence Forces, there is only one system listed that matches the look seen in these videos, and that is the 9K33 Osa NATO reporting name: SA-8 Gecko.

9A33BM3 TELAR Image source: Wikipedia

"Are there any other sources (videos, combat reports, etc.) that confirm the report of the S-300 being destroyed?"

In the video in the article — mirrored here — this does not show any destruction, only that someone is looking at these systems.

And there is this video, again, nothing is shown being destroyed, and one vehicle in that video — definitely — is an 9K33.

So in conclusion: Yes, such a video can — by a skilled observer — be used to make a good estimate as to the identity of vehicles and other weapons-systems being attacked.

But — no — that video does not, nor does any others out there, appear to show an S-300 system being attacked and destroyed, and even less so with any kind of distinguishing identifying information of attackers and attacked.

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  • It's definitely not an Osa in that video. – Fizz Jan 10 at 19:41
  • Eh, @Fizz, click all links before you jump to conclusions, please. The link with the caption "article" shows Osas. That is what I commented on. I also commented on two other videons, one of which is the one you posted a screenshot from, and pointed out that it does not show any destruction happening. I have now edited the answer to make it more clear which videos I am commenting, in relation to the question. – MichaelK Jan 10 at 20:29
  • Unfortunately the OP posted two links that were not really related. The video in the article was not the one to which he provided another link... I've removed his 2nd/misleading link because it was a video with just a handful of views on youtube. You're welcome to DV the OP for this misdirecton. – Fizz Jan 10 at 20:30
  • @Fizz The video in that article is just a Twitter posting. So that source is equally dodgy. Is there anything left here except one Twitter video (that shows no destruction of anything), and that YouTube video? – MichaelK Jan 10 at 20:38

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