A recent News story reports a wedding party finding torn-apart ballots, the majority of which are marked for President Trump.

While the majority of the sites that I've found this story on are pro-Trump sites, I'm not seeing anything suspicious in the articles themselves, or the video that the majority of these articles have included.

Are these legitimate ballots, the majority of which have been cast for Trump, that have been thrown out? It is already noted in the video that such ballots wouldn't change Oklahoma's results - since Oklahoma is deep red - so this question is only asking about the validity of the torn-up ballots.

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    Reminder: Comments are not a race to post you unreferenced, partisan opinions on which might have happened.
    – Oddthinking
    Nov 12, 2020 at 3:42

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According to the Oklahoma State Election Board (via Twitter):

This video is from pct 469 / subpct 457 in Tulsa County. These are clearly "spoiled ballots" where the voter mistakenly marked more than one option in a race. Spoiled ballots are returned to the precinct clerk and destroyed, then the voter is issued a new ballot.

They use screenshots from the video to highlight this point. Here are some of the examples they show - they annotated the video to circle the part of the ballot that shows it is "spoiled":

spoiled ballot 1

spoiled ballot 2

They also referenced the relevant statute:

"Should a voter spoil any ballot in an effort to vote the same, the voter shall... return it to the clerk. The clerk shall destroy the ballot in the presence of the voter and shall issue the voter another ballot..."

And they show a redacted photo of the spoiled ballot affadavit for that polling location, with signatures of 11 voters who had spoiled ballots:

spoiled ballot affadavit


There is no credible evidence to support this.

The only evidence here is a few guys talking on a video. We can't verify anything they say, not even that they were actually at a wedding in Oklahoma, never mind anything they claim about ballots.

The most obvious deficiency is that anyone who seriously believes they have found evidence of voter fraud should be reporting it to the relevant authorities so it can be investigated, and a thorough examination made of the ballots and other evidence. They have not done that. (If they had it would be national news, like the report of ballots in a dumpster in Georgia.) Their behaviour has been entirely consistent with that of someone wanting to get a bit of attention by making sensational allegations.

Other flaws in the story:

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    Or what about spoiled ballots? Someone is filling out their ballot and they make a mistake, so they ask for a new one. I don't know what the normal procedure for that would be in Oklahoma, but throwing the old one in the trash, maybe after ripping it up so that it isn't mistaken for a valid ballot, wouldn't seem totally unreasonable. Nov 11, 2020 at 21:50
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    "The most obvious deficiency...": On the other hand, many people who may be inclined to suspect fraud may also be people who would not trust the "relevant authorities" to investigate properly, and who would see announcing it to the general public as a more effective way to stimulate action. I wouldn't write off the claim on this basis alone (though I would on many other bases). Nov 11, 2020 at 21:56
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    I'm sure Rudy Giuliani would have taken it off their hands. But you are right, theoretically the people might have been so dumb they found evidence of massive electoral fraud threatening the country and decided to put it on social media but not keep it.. That's why I write "no credible evidence" rather than "this is false". Nov 11, 2020 at 22:12
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    "They have not done that." Citation-needed
    – Oddthinking
    Nov 12, 2020 at 3:43
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    "Several days elapsed between voting and the alleged wedding" - According to the first link the wedding was held "where voting took place earlier in the day," so this needs a reference.
    – Oddthinking
    Nov 12, 2020 at 3:45

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