He would appear, according to Jayabaya, "when iron wagons could drive without horses and ships could sail through the sky" (a time when there are cars and airplanes).

"Ships that sail through the sky" (kapal terbang) is the modern Indonesian term for an airplane, therefore Schmuddi's comment is false.

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    We don't have ships that sail through the sky, and to my knowledge, there have never been ships that sail through the sky in all of humankind's history. The thing is, airplanes are nothing like sailing ships. So which part of the prophecy talks about airplanes again? – Schmuddi May 14 '18 at 19:03
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    His prediction wasn't that there would be these things, but that a ruler would arise when those things exist. So even if the interpretation is correct that he predicted cars and planes, this supposed leader hasn't arisen yet in the 120 years that these things have existed. – DenisS May 14 '18 at 20:55
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    @Schmuddi While I found those claims BS we got zeppelins and air sailing planes. Also most of flying a plane is about navigation and aviation borrowed a lot of terminology and knowledge from our sea counterparts – jean May 16 '18 at 19:17
  • So the answer is no. The official jayabaya prophecy never talks about airplanes? That is a potential answer. Anyway, why downvotes? I understand people disagree that Jayabaya prophesied that. But that seems like an answer, not a bad question. – user4951 May 17 '18 at 15:02
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    @J.Chang If it is correct, would you be willing to edit this question and post a screenshot from that book which includes the mention of "sky ships", along with your translation? If you can do that, I would be willing to write an answer giving as much information as I can find. Thank you. – Avery May 21 '18 at 12:07

update: The oldest manuscripts of this prophecy do not mention airplanes or automobiles, according to an email I received from Thomas Anton Reuter, who wrote an article on this subject. (This could concievably be confirmed by a Javanese speaker who clicks the Google Books link below) Reuter stresses that he does not have every single source of the prophecy, but as of yet, there is no written evidence of this prediction that predates the actual appearance of airplanes and automobiles in Indonesia.

The best English-language source for the Jayabaya prophecy is Thomas Anton Reuter, “The Once and Future King: Utopianism as Political Practice in Indonesia”. In Utopía: 500 años, ed. Pablo Guerra (Bogotá: Ediciones Universidad Cooperativa de Colombia, 2016).

Reuter writes,

The Jayabaya prophecies specifcally predict a coming crisis of epic proportions, which the text refers to as the ‘time of madness’ (jaman edan). For the majority of Javanese the description of this crisis, as provided in the prophecy texts (for example, that women will wear men’s clothing, and young people will cease to respect their elders), closely resembles actual societal conditions of the present day. This state of chaotic disorder and moral decay is predicted to culminate in a major calamity, followed by a ‘return of the king’ and a restoration of cosmic harmony in the form of a utopian society. At various times, certain individuals have proclaimed themselves as the new ratu adil, and a few of them gained some recognition in connection with 19th century rebellions against Dutch colonialism.

He quotes a modern oral retelling of the prophecy:

When carriages drive without horses, ships fly through the sky, and a necklace of iron surrounds the island of Java; When women wear men’s clothing and children neglect their aged parents, know that the time of madness has begun.
(From the Ramalan Jayabaya, Oral transmission, author’s translation)

Here I should note that the general idea of a "time of madness" parallels the actual ancient prophecies found in the Mahābhārata which date to 400 BC or earlier:

And all men towards the end of the Yuga will become members of one common order, without distinction of any kind. And sires will not forgive sons, and sons will not forgive sires. And when the end approaches, wives will not wait upon and serve their husbands. (etc. etc.)

The Mahābhārata came to Indonesia around the year 1000 and was already a cultural staple by the time Jayabaya came to power over 100 years later. So, surprisingly enough, although we have no manuscripts of "Jayabaya's prophecy" from before the 19th century, it is easy to tell that the prophecy is much older than this, and it's quite possible that the prophecy in its initial form dated to the 12th century when oral retellings of the Mahābhārata may have included these Kali Yuga prophecies. Reuter writes,

In the foreword to the 1835 edition the scribe complains bitterly that his predecessor has ‘Islamised’ the ancient narrative, warning that such a shamefully manipulation of sacred knowledge can lead to dangerous personal consequences for the scribe and will confuse the public with false interpretations. It is not diffcult to see what the concerned scribe is referring to. For example, the text names the Sultan of ‘Rum’ (Constantinople / Istanbul) as the one who initiated the original human settlement of Java rather than the Hindu saint Aji Saka, who is commonly named as the founder of civilization in Javanese folk tradition and in classical Javanese literature. A scribe in a royal library would have been well aware that this modifcation of the text was a conscious act of historical revisionism.

Nevertheless, the 18th century Islamized text by and large still follows the plot of an earlier, Hindu version, as is evident from what fragments of the original Hindu version can still be found today in other manuscripts.

Reuter cites an 1848 print edition of the prophecy by a Dutch colonist, which is happily available on Google Books. But alas, this is written entirely in Javanese script which I found very hard to read. Reuter does not discuss the content of this 1848 edition or whether it mentions automobiles or "flying ships."

A Google Books search turned up another reference, in a Dutch-language book from 1892 (Jan Laurens Andries Brandes, Een Verslag ... eene Verzameling Javaansche en Madoereesche handschriften), to another manuscript of the Jayabaya prophecy dating to between 1650 and 1715 AD, which was located in the Royal Batavian Society of Arts and Sciences at the time of writing. Reuter may have missed this one, or the manuscript may have deteriorated. The book does not describe the prophecy in detail other than to mention that it prophecies "diseases and terror and famine" and to link it with peasant uprisings.

Due to lack of well-preserved manuscripts, we cannot answer the question of whether "Jayabaya predicted cars and airplanes" but it's possible that there was a mention of "flying ships" in an oral tradition predating the first airplanes. As many people have commented, this could be interpreted as the poet's flight of fancy, etc.


This answer got downvoted (uncommented), so i refined it:

  • Regardless of Jayabayas specific words, the answer is YES, J. predicted airplanes - whether the words were "flying ships" "air ships" "ships-as-birds" whatever. All of these can mean airplanes, because words are interpretable.
  • Regardless of Jayabayas specific words, the answer is NO, J. did not predict airplanes - whether the words were "elongated tubes of metal, powered by oil-from-under-the-earth will carry people around the world", or "Boing and Aircoach will build vehicles that fly across the sky at the speed of a shout, with the sound of thunder" or any other, because J.'s language lacked the words and terms to accurately describe what we now term airplanes (and even what we now term airplanes is a wild combination of concepts, from the Brothers Wright's wood-and-cloth contraption to the X-15) and no amount of period-appropriate language from J. will hit the current concept spot-on.
  • The question what J. said is only answerable to a certain degree of accuracy, as we are dealing with second- or third-hand sources, but the question if those words predicted something is pretty much unanswerable, see my musings about statistics (my original answer, expanded by links and examples) below:

Try any combination of [object] [functioning outside it's normal parameters] and judge as lenient as with the 'ships in the sky' example, and you will find that most weird things you could predict are true somewhere, somehow.(really, try. "Flying tree" - Could that mean the Spruce Goose (double entendre, 'spruce' and that it was made from wood)?) Now couple that with the sheer number of people predicting things, and you have a guaranteed hit every few years. Try any not-of-this-world descriptions from any old book (Bible, Book of the Dead, Edda, ...) and you will find lots of weird coincidences. It's called Postdiction

With that in mind, it is statistical folly to go looking for predictions-come-true, or if you do, you have to take into account at how many things you looked (and in this case not only you, but the entire staff of the ancient-origins website and all the sites they read, and so on...) and adjust your expectations accordingly. I'd say with that in mind a blueprint of of a 747 would be ok evidence of true 'sight'....

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