In this interview with John Pilger, Julian Assange says

...here we have case where... the woman herself says the police made it up.

... But what is the rhetoric? The rhetoric is... never mentioned that the woman herself says the police made it up.

Is it true that woman in question says the police made the charge up? What evidence for this is there?


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Assange is accused of raping one woman (SW) and molesting another (AA). He previously had consensual sex with both of them. The accusation is that he then had unprotected sex with both of them against their will and while one of them was asleep.

From the police interview, regarding SW:

[SW] squeezed her legs together because she did not want to have intercourse with him without protection [...]
They dozed off and she awoke and felt him penetrating her. She immediately asked, “Are you wearing anything?”, to which he replied, “You”.

Regarding AA:

According to Anna, “everything went so fast”. He tore off her clothes and in the process pulled at and broke her necklace. Anna tried to put some clothes back on, because it all went so fast and she felt uncomfortable; but Assange immediately took them off again. Anna states that in fact she felt that she no longer wanted to go any further
Anna sensed that Assange wanted to insert his penis in her vagina right away, which she did not want because he was not wearing a condom. She therefore tried to twist her hips to the side and squeeze her legs together in order to prevent penetration. Anna tried several times to reach for a condom, but Assange stopped her from doing so by holding her arms and prying open her legs while trying to penetrate her with his penis without a condom. Anna says that eventually she was on the verge of tears because she was held fast and could not get a condom, and felt that ‘this can end badly’.
Anna and Assange resumed having sex and Anna says that she thought that she “just wanted to get it over with”.
Anna is convinced that when he withdrew from her the first time, Assange deliberately broke the condom at its tip and then continued copulating to ejaculation.

The claim that the woman says that the police made the charges up originates from this Affidavit by Julian Assange:

While the younger woman was at the police station on 20 August 2010, her phone records show that she wrote that she:

did not want to put any charges on JA but that the police were keen on getting a grip on him (sv: få tag på honom) (14:26);110

and that

she was “chocked [sic: shocked] when they arrested JA because she only wanted him to take a test (17:06)”.111

The footnote says:

My lawyers have been refused a copy of the phone records in full; the citation is paraphrased and is a direct quote from my lawyers' email.

As the phone records are not part of a public record, there is no proof one way or another about their existence. It may or may not be true that the women did not want to press any charges.

The police interviews are not made up, but approved by SW and AA. Based on their description in the interview, the police can press charges for rape.

  • Then I guess OP’s question is: is the affidavit stating the truth? Is this version of the events contested? Mar 10, 2017 at 19:31

You can't prove a negative, but it appears the statement is based on a misconception. The women did not charge him with rape but wanted him tested for HIV as he had unprotected sex with them against their will. As that is considered rape and it falls under public prosecution that the women doesn't press any charges doesn't matter.

The police interview protocol is available at http://www.nnn.se/nordic/assange/docs/protocol.pdf

  • 1. I'm not asking to prove a negative. There is a positive statement here 'The woman said that the police made it up'. 2. You need sources for your claims.
    – dwjohnston
    Mar 10, 2017 at 8:40
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    @dwjohnston 1. Yes, it's difficult to prove she didn't say something. 2. See the police interview protocol at nnn.se/nordic/assange/docs/protocol.pdf
    – liftarn
    Mar 10, 2017 at 10:01
  • Can you add a relevant quote from the PDF you link to? Makes it much easier to assess the answer and means the answer will still have value if that link stops working Mar 10, 2017 at 10:27
  • Also, it's a myth you can't prove a negative.
    – Tanath
    Mar 13, 2017 at 21:00
  • I'm not asking you to prove that she didn't say something. I'm asking you to provide evidence that she did say something. If there's no evidence to suggest that, we can throw the claim out.
    – dwjohnston
    Apr 18, 2018 at 2:08

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