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A Conservative Infidel article from 2014 made a claim (that was repeated in a forum for Americans for Legal Immigration PAC) that:

Muslims in the Middle East took Christian girls and cut their breasts off. Sister Hatune Dogan interviewed 280 girls and said that a number of them suffered this sort of mutilation, alongside rape and lacerations with blades.

The report seems to be based on an article by Katie Yoder, which doesn't seem to identify the victims, their ages, the location or the times.

The article shows two photos showing atrocities against unidentified girls. The second photo (the one that shows a girl with her breasts cut of) was reported by https://hinduexistence.org/tamil-hindu-killing-fields-in-sri-lanka/ in 2012 claiming to show rape and sexual violence perpetrated by Sri Lankan armed forces against Tamils. Which claim is true?

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    The fact that the only sites that I see claiming this is true are reactionary, right-wing sites like islamevseurope.com and jihadwatch leads me to think that there are not going to be reliable sources. Generally, if an article doesn't mention details, that's a good sign (although, in this case, I would expect victim names to be withheld if it was true). The nun you mention also has claimed that Muslims are selling vials of Christian blood for $100,000 on the black market.
    – rougon
    Nov 17, 2016 at 12:18
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    @rougon: And to think a lot of us give blood for free. Of course I'm not a Christian, but for $100K/vial, I'm willing to lie about that :-)
    – jamesqf
    Nov 17, 2016 at 18:48
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    @KDog Where do people regularly practice those acts on a scale large enough to stand in for the whole society? It seems like you are taking selective events from across a vast region and putting them together. If you took all of the nasty things the US or Europe does, we would look demonic too.
    – rougon
    Nov 17, 2016 at 19:30
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    @MohammadSakibArifin Disgusting, but unrelated to the actual story of the kidnapped girls who were released after ransom payment. They're still alive, and obviously she isn't. People seem to stick unrelated photos in articles often now. Very irresponsible.
    – DavePhD
    Nov 18, 2016 at 15:55
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    @DavePhD I'm not sure what that picture is supposed to be. Both the one that shows up in the links in this question and the extra related ones you found are all heavily photoshopped — but it's not clear why. Perhaps there were other things nearby in the scene or watermarks than somebody tried to remove, but all the views have weird bits that have been edited with bits of background slapped on top of foreground objects. Whatever horrendous acts this depicts, the reporting at least is clearly dishonest in some fashion.
    – Caleb
    Nov 18, 2016 at 16:10

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An Interview With Sister Hatune Dogan

transcript:

Q: What did these girls tell you?

A: These girls…

Q: What did they experience?

A: It is horrible. I cannot explain everything but these 218 girls under [their breath] they told me that what had happened to them: they [the perpetrators] raped them, they cut some portions of them — a sample — from this number that I spoke [to], 13 of them, they cut half of the vagina. I saw it with my own eyes. How many there are that I didn’t see, I don’t know. Three, they cut their breast, only because they [the abductors] were not happy with the ransom. All of them, they had to pay ransom to come to be freed. [If] they were not happy with that, some of them, they cut their faces.

I have photos, I have much […], I have video, I have everything there [to prove this]. I have all these girls, the youngest one I had to cry on her shoulder. Others cried on my shoulder. And I have feelings for these girls. These traumatic views, they’ll never go from my brain, from my mind. I am psychologically normally [strong], but through the power of my Lord, through my psychological knowledge, through my Bible I can pass over these heavy things till today.

So according to witness testimony, the breasts were cut, but not cut "off".

(The photos in the OP article have nothing to do with the actual girls who were cut)

Also, the girls were not necessarily Christian.

According to Yazidi refugees in Germany find shelter at the home of a nun

she encountered 218 Christian and Yazidi rape victims. “The youngest was five and a half years old when they raped her. I met her two years later and she still couldn't speak one word because she was traumatized.” Some of these girls were mutilated, she says, because the kidnappers weren't happy with the ransom.

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    Have journalists or prosecutors validated those pictures and videos?
    – daraos
    Nov 17, 2016 at 13:11
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    This is just a repeat of the original claim, using a less than reputable source, which in turn refers to the same source as the article of the OP (a nun which seems to be rather biased on the topic of islam).
    – tim ♦
    Nov 17, 2016 at 13:36
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    @tim no, this makes clear that the breast were not cut "off"
    – DavePhD
    Nov 17, 2016 at 13:41
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    @DavePhD Thanks for the clarifying edit. This does seem to make it clear that OPs source exaggerated claims made by a biased nun which may or may not be true. I wouldn't call this interview "witness testimony", and I wouldn't consider it prove of anything else though.
    – tim ♦
    Nov 17, 2016 at 13:57
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    I spent the last 45 minutes reading articles about Yazidian "ISIS sex-slaves" and listening to eye witness tapes. First off: I could not find a victim telling about "cut off" or "cut" breasts or labia. Of course that doesn't prove it has not been done. Second: the Yazidis are not Christian, but make up the majority of "sex slaves". I could not find a report in German articles about Yazidis that support this claim. Third: After spending 45 minutes on this, I just want to stop and do something fun instead.
    – daraos
    Nov 19, 2016 at 20:38

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