42

Donald Trump has been reported in the news and over the internet for suggesting that Muslims should wear some visible id or badge of some sort.

Raw Story headlined with:

Trump crosses the Nazi line: Maybe Muslims should wear special ID badges

Newsbusters claimed that it didn't happen:

MSM Spreads False Claim Trump Wants Special Badges for Muslims

I live in Europe, which means I can't tell which American news site is more credible.

Did he say anything like that?

  • @oddthinking You've really over edited it this time. I never said he's been saying this, I said I saw some articles on the internet. – Tomáš Zato Nov 24 '15 at 6:36
  • 3
    I didn't implied you thought Trump said it, just that the news reported it. I made a number of improvements that you have now undone. Please fix the following: Capitalise "Muslims". Inline the links into words. Quote the claims to protect from link-rot. Name the sources. Remove your personal, irrelevant and controversial opinion about Trump. Remove the false dichotomy that he either said it or it is a hoax. Reinstate the United States tag. Remove the call for a subjective source for the mistake (if any). – Oddthinking Nov 24 '15 at 9:37
  • "personal, irrelevant and controversial opinion" this is one and only point where I have no idea what you're talking about. – Tomáš Zato Nov 24 '15 at 9:42
  • 2
    "I live in Europe, which means I can't tell which American news site is more credible." It's no easier when you live in America. [Ed: While it's far from skeptical to assume a negative, I would certainly assume a lack of "credibility" (despite some truthfulness) for any and all American news sources.] – Xodarap777 Sep 7 '16 at 17:05
  • 2
    @Xodarap777 I guess I forgot how big USA is. In my country, I know all recessist web pages by name, it's like 15-20 of them. – Tomáš Zato Sep 7 '16 at 19:59
57

TL;DR: Not true

I'll go the easy route and steal from Snopes:

Claim: Donald Trump stated that Muslims should be made to wear identifying badges.

WHAT'S TRUE: Donald Trump was asked in an interview about whether Muslims should be subject to special scrutiny, a question he answered ambiguously.

... (I'm skipping the second half of the "true" sentence about databases, because it will be discussed later in the answer).

WHAT'S FALSE: Donald Trump asserted that Muslims should wear identifying badges

To elaborate, Snopes clarifies:

In the context of that interview, it's important to note that Trump's responses were non-committal. Furthermore, they were clearly in response to leading questions for which the actual phrasing wasn't even provided:

Precisely how such a question was presented to Trump was not elaborated upon in the printed text of the interview, nor was what his exact response (not "rul[ing] it out") entailed. Moreover, the portions involving quotes were so exceptionally vague ("do things that we never did before," "certain things will be done") and full of obfuscation, it was impossible to discern even vaguely what Trump referenced. (The mandate of badges for Muslims was quite a leap by any measure.)

While it appeared Trump fielded a question about enhanced surveillance for Muslims and mosques, in no reasonable interpretation of the material provided did he himself suggest that followers of Islam should wear Holocaust-like badges as in Nazi Germany. That assertion appeared to be one fronted by the interviewer, and not fairly attributable to Donald Trump. It's true that Trump espoused a position many would deem objectionable or offensive in the little he did say, but the controversy hinged largely on words he didn't appear to have said.

A little bit more organized, if more partisanly-worded, rebuttal of the claim with details of how it was spun up is here.


P.S. There was a second part of the claim, that was NOT part of this question; but was related and analyzed by Snopes as part of the same article.

... He then later affirmed that Muslims should be required to register in a database - Evaluated by Snopes as part of "TRUE" claim.

I actually disagree with Snopes in this "true" evaluation. This part of the claim is somewhat true but very misleading given context - no matter what interviewer's intent, Trump was NOT speaking of all Muslims, just immigrants. Which can of course be spun into something awfully sounding until one realizes that all legal immigrants to USA have been registered with INS/DHS, forever.

Note Trump's exact words around the clarifying discussion - they are almost certainly referring to immigration:

But right now, we have to have a border, we have to have strength, we have to have a wall, and we cannot let what’s happening to this country happen any longer.”

  • 2
    I thought Skeptics.se didn't view Snopes as a legitimate source for confirming or denying stuff? – Nzall Nov 23 '15 at 12:04
  • 21
    @user5341 +1 for pointing out that one of the 'crazy sounding things' is actually common practice today. – David Grinberg Nov 23 '15 at 15:42
  • 5
    What's more troubling is that the OP linked to Newsbusters, which itself linked to Snopes and quoted the same passage. So, this answer doesn't add any information that the OP didn't already have, and I am not sure it helps make the Internet a better place. – Oddthinking Nov 23 '15 at 23:43
  • 5
    @Oddthinking - ooooh. I gotta ask that on Politics.SE: "provide incontrovertible proof that immigrants actually are registered with INS/DHS". It's not controversial but definitely isn't 100% obviously proven absent some rulebook or regulation. Having dealt with INS I have anecdotal proof; I saw my own file :) – user5341 Nov 24 '15 at 0:42
  • 3
    @gerrit - it means that Trump has a hobby topic (like every other politician) and angles to make anything he answers on ANY question - no matter how distantly related - to be tied to that topic. His hobby topic (or one of the few) is illegal aliens and borders. He's never been interested in Islam or Muslims before, and likely hasn't exactly gone interested now, other than as an excuse to talk about borders again. – user5341 Nov 24 '15 at 23:08

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .