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Due to the upcoming release of Fallout 4, I've stumbled upon several claims about the stance of the iconic Vault Boy:

An image of Vault Boy holding out his arm with his thumb up, one eye closed and looking over his thumb with his other eye

Basically, those stated that the Vault Boy was doing the following:

If you see a mushroom cloud from an atomic bomb, you're supposed to stick your arm out and hold your thumb over the cloud. If the cloud is bigger than your thumb, you're in the radiation zone and should evacuate.

I've traced back the quote to a Reddit post, but I haven't seen any other source mentioning this (potentially useful ?) survival tip, even when looking through official US government sources.

It's spawned several image macros that are circulating on social media and elsewhere:

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Could this tip be considered a realistic indicator in case of a nuclear attack? Should I proudly stand to measure the mushroom cloud or run for my life when the nuclear holocaust finally comes?

Bonus question:
Has any of the studios (Interplay or Bethesda) confirmed the meaning of the stance or is it just a fan theory?

  • Also, I'm unsure why the DV :/ Putting the fallout lore aside, the original claim & question title seems fitting enough for me. Could you elaborate your thoughts on this so I can clarify my original post ? – Aserre Sep 1 '15 at 13:10
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    The down vote is likely because of this site's requirement that claims must be notable. The only source you've cited for the claim is a Reddit post, which does not rise to the level of notability. We need something to show that a well known or widely read source made this claim. – Nate Eldredge Sep 1 '15 at 13:14
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    @NateEldredge I found it relayed on other Video Game forums as well, and a google search vault boy thumbs up meaning returns 47000 results (I don't know if this is notable enough though ??). My question only stated I found the origin of the claim on Reddit. If those aren't enough to make this question notable enough, I'll just delete it. – Aserre Sep 1 '15 at 13:18
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    If the claim that the size of one's thumb is a good indicator of fallout distance were notable, I would expect it to be independent of the Fallout game. However, it seems that even in the Reddit thread many comments do not take this seriously. Let's limit our questions to claims people truly believe – Sklivvz Nov 30 '15 at 10:32
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    This is definitely circulating widely on social media now and various "fun facts" type clickbait-y sites, I've added four examples for notability – user568458 Aug 24 '16 at 16:52
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Nuclear weapons can kill through several mechanisms

Blast Effects

Most damage comes from the explosive blast. The shock wave of air radiates outward, producing sudden changes in air pressure that can crush objects, and high winds that can knock objects down. In general, large buildings are destroyed by the change in air pressure, while people and objects such as trees and utility poles are destroyed by the wind.

Thermal Radiation Effects

Approximately 35 percent of the energy from a nuclear explosion is an intense burst of thermal radiation, i.e., heat. The effects are similar to the effect of a two-second flash from an enormous sunlamp. Since the thermal radiation travels at roughly the speed of light, the flash of light and heat precedes the blast wave by several seconds, just as lightning is seen before thunder is heard.

Direct Nuclear Radiation Effects

Direct radiation occurs at the time of the explosion. It can be very intense, but its range is limited. For large nuclear weapons, the range of intense direct radiation is less than the range of lethal blast and thermal radiation effects. However, in the case of smaller weapons, direct radiation may be the lethal effect with the greatest range.

Fallout

Fallout radiation is received from particles that are made radioactive by the effects of the explosion, and subsequently distributed at varying distances from the site of the blast. While any nuclear explosion in the atmosphere produces some fallout, the fallout is far greater if the burst is on the surface, or at least low enough for the firebalI to touch the ground.

(Source Atomic Archive: Basic Effects of Nuclear Weapons)

All quotes below are taken from other pages of the above article unless stated otherwise

What is the 'size' of the nuclear explosion that we are comparing to the size of a thumb? Well, the mushroom cloud can become very large, and continues spreading for an extended period of time, typically tens of minutes:

The cloud attains its maximum height after about 10 minutes and is then said to be "stabilized." It continues to grow laterally, however, to produce the characteristic mushroom shape. The cloud may continue to be visible for about an hour

There is obviously little benefit in using that as the comparison to your thumb.

A more plausible suggestion might be the initial fireball:

Within seven-tenths of one millisecond from the detonation, the fireball from a 1-megaton weapon is about 440 feet across, and this increases to a maximum value of about 5,700 feet in 10 seconds

5,700 feet is slightly more than a mile (5280 feet). Simple geometry suggests then that your thumb will completely cover this from a distance of around 30 miles.

Taking the damage effects in turn:

Blast Effects

As a general guide, city areas are completely destroyed by overpressures of 5 psi, with heavy damage extending out at least to the 3 psi contour.

Humans are actually quite resistant to the direct effect of overpressure. Pressures of over 40 psi are required before lethal effects are noted.

The danger from overpressure comes from the collapse of buildings that are generally not as resistant. Urban areas contain many objects that can become airborne, and the destruction of buildings generates many more.

After about 40 seconds, when the Mach front from a 1-megaton nuclear weapon is 10 miles from ground zero, the overpressure will have decreased to roughly 1 psi.

So for blast effects you have time to take some kind of cover to mitigate the effects of collapsing buildings and debris, but the thumb rule doesn't really help because danger distance is about three times smaller than the 'thumb distance', and so you can see the fireball much larger than your thumb and still be at a safe distance.

Thermal Effects

A 1-megaton explosion can cause first-degree burns (a bad sunburn) at a distance of about 7 miles, second-degree burns (producing blisters and permanent scars) at distances of about 6 miles, and third-degree burns (which destroy skin tissue) at distances up to 5 miles. Third-degree burns over 24 percent of the body, or second-degree burns over 30 percent, will result in serious shock, and will probably prove fatal unless prompt, specialized medical care is available.

This energy is emitted from the fireball in two pulses. The first is quite short, and carries only about 1 percent of the energy; the second pulse is more significant and is of longer duration (up to 20 seconds).

It has been estimated that burns caused some 50 percent of the deaths at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You potentially have a 20 second window of taking damage here, so possibly there is time to react and get in to some kind of cover to shield against the thermal radiation. But waiting to measure your thumb against the maximum size of the fireball that takes 10 seconds to develop would seem to be exposing yourself to the worst of the effects, and also directing your eyes at the fireball, exposing you to flash blindness.

A 1-megaton explosion can cause flash blindness at distances as great as 13 miles on a clear day, or 53 miles on a clear night. If the intensity is great enough, a permanent retinal burn will result.

So the better survival strategy would seem to be to get something solid between you and the explosion as soon as possible rather than waiting to measure the fireball against your thumb.

Direct Radiation Effects

Initial nuclear radiation is defined as the radiation that arrives during the first minute after an explosion, and is mostly gamma radiation and neutron radiation.

The level of initial nuclear radiation decreases rapidly with distance from the fireball to where less than one roentgen may be received five miles from ground zero. In addition, initial radiation lasts only as long as nuclear fission occurs in the fireball. Initial nuclear radiation represents about 3 percent of the total energy in a nuclear explosion.

Though people close to ground zero may receive lethal doses of radiation, they are concurrently being killed by the blast wave and thermal pulse. In typical nuclear weapons, only a relatively small proportion of deaths and injuries result from initial radiation.

Travelling at the speed of light, if this is going to be a problem for you then it has affected you before you could possibly react. Nothing the thumb can do to help you here.

Fallout effects

Fallout is radioactive dust released in the explosion. This travels with the wind. As an example, here is the pattern of radioactive fallout after the Bravo test in the Bikini Atoll in 1954:

Bravo test fallout pattern

(taken from http://www.atomicarchive.com/Maps/BravoMap.shtml)

As you can see, 20 miles upwind you'd be completely safe, while the Rongerik Atoll 150 miles downwind was evacuated, and after the islanders returned, there were long term health consequences from the fallout

Description of the test and some subsequent events from http://www.rmiembassyus.org/Nuclear%20Issues.htm to illustrate the levels of health problems at locations up to 150 miles away)

January - Preparations commence at Bikini Atoll for Operation Castle, to test a series of megaton range weapons, including America's first deliverable hydrogen bomb.

February 28 - 6 p.m. On the eve of the Bravo test, weather reports indicate that atmospheric "conditions were getting less favorable." At midnight, just seven hours from the shot, the weather report reports there are "less favorable winds at 10,000 to 25,000-foot levels." Winds at 20,000 feet "were headed for Rongelap to the east."

March 1 - Bikini's weather outlook downgraded to "unfavorable" and Joint Task Force 7 directs several ships to move 20 miles to the south to remove them from the expected fallout zone. Despite weather reports showing that winds are blowing in the direction of inhabited islands, the March 1 Bravo hydrogen bomb test is detonated at Bikini. At 15 megatons, it is 1,000 times the strength of the Hiroshima bomb. Within hours a gritty, white ash is enveloping islanders on Rongelap and Ailinginae Atolls. A few hours later, American weathermen are exposed to the snowstorm of fallout on Rongerik, and still later the people of Utrik and other islands experience the fallout "mist". Those exposed experience nausea, vomiting and itching skin and eyes. March 3 Rongelap islanders are evacuated 48 hours later, and Utrik is evacuated 72 hours after Bravo. Both groups are taken to Kwajalein for observation. Skin burns on the heavily exposed people begin to develop, and later their hair falls out. The U.S. Atomic Energy Commission issues a statement to the press calling Bravo a "routine atomic test", and stating that some Americans and Marshallese were "unexpectedly exposed to some radioactivity. There were no burns. All were reported well."

Long term health effects were studied in Project 4.1 - the various reports of the project can be found online, such as Study of Response of Human Beings Accidentally Exposed to Significant Fallout Radiation (pdf download)

So the 'safe distance' varies by a factor of 10-20 (or more) depending on wind strength and direction, and I hope it doesn't count as original research to state the obvious fact that the rule of thumb suggests a single safe distance in all directions, and therefore is not a useful guideline.

Size of explosion

The last factor to bear in mind is that the lethal and safe distances for all these effects vary in different ways with the size of the explosion. For most of the data above, a 1 megaton device is used. The bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were around 15 and 20 kilotons respectively (50 times smaller than a 1 megaton bomb). The largest US test was the castle test above, at 15 megatons. The largest Soviet test was the Tsar Bomba at around 50 megatons.

As you move to larger explosions, thermal effects become more important than blast damage, while (as mentioned in a quote above) for small nuclear explosions, direct radiation effects become more important.

For weapons in the 1 to 200-kiloton region used against structures commonly found in the West, blast effects are likely to predominate; larger weapons will have the ability to start fires at distances far greater than they can inflict significant blast damage. Films of tests conducted in Nevada in the 1950's confirm that at the extreme distance at which wood-frame houses can be ignited by lower yield weapons, the buildings are blown apart seconds later by the blast wave, while structures which survive the blast do not ignite after the blast. Tests conducted in the Pacific using megaton-class weapons show the opposite effect.

(Source: Federation of American Scientists)

It is also not obvious how the 'thumb distance' varies with size of explosion (i.e. I've not yet found any data on how the size of the fireball varies with the size of the explosion).

  • It couldn't hurt – Jimmy M. Aug 26 '16 at 21:18
  • "speed of light for all intents and purposes (literally for gamma rays" - but NOT at the speed of light in vacuum, which is what people normally mean by the speed of light. The atmosphere does slow light a little. – John Dvorak Aug 26 '16 at 22:51
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    @JanDvorak: Your objection is irrelevant in this context, because the flash also reaches your brain at the ambient speed of light. – TonyK Aug 27 '16 at 0:02
  • Jon Hersey's interviews with survivors from Hiroshima show that some people who were gazing directly at the flash had - quite horribly - their eyeballs physically destroyed, but remained alive (at least for hours/days). I don't know the range for that. newyorker.com/magazine/1946/08/31/hiroshima – A E Aug 27 '16 at 14:17
  • Another thing to note is that Castle Bravo was a ground burst, which maximizes fallout. In combat, bombs will be set for air burst, which maximizes damage and minimizes fallout, so a 15MT bomb used in combat will have a far smaller fallout plume. – Mark Aug 30 at 23:24

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