Timeline for Did Volodymyr Zelenskyy say that "if someone in Ukraine feels Russian, they should leave for Russia"?
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| Nov 6, 2022 at 17:49 | comment | added | gerrit | @ArtyomIonash I made no assumption, I was raising a question. | |
| Nov 6, 2022 at 9:05 | comment | added | Artyom Ionash | @gerrit No, Zenlensky really opposed this "feeling like a Russian" to "love for Ukraine" ("feel like a Ukrainian" by context). And he really meant that those who don't like the current policy of Kiev need to leave for Russia. Your assumption is false. Lavrov presented his ideas correctly. | |
| Jul 2, 2022 at 10:56 | comment | added | Will Ness | It feels a bit like if a Serbian President would say this about Albanians in Kosovo isn't it, since IIANM Serbia considers Kosovo to be Albanian occupied? AFAIR the claim is that there was a Serbian majority in that territory even in the late 1970s. | |
| Jun 28, 2022 at 16:42 | comment | added | Schmuddi | @Laurel: In your last comment, you used the expression "to identify as Russian". I think this paraphrase is so relevant to the understanding of the quote that you might consider adding it to your answer: It's not about people in Ukraine who "feel Russian" (as Lavrov claims), it's about people in the occupied territories who identify as Russian (note the "we are Russian" in Zellenskyy's first quote). Feeling like something is very different from identifying as identifying as the same thing. | |
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| Jun 27, 2022 at 17:48 | history | edited | Laurel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 27, 2022 at 17:45 | comment | added | Rarst | @Laurel I watched the relevant part (at 40 minutes mark), the interview is in Russian (which I also understand) and both statements (as covered by TASS and the official site) are present in it. They are also preceded by him saying "this is not about chasing anyone out", which is exactly how Lavrov tries to frame it. Obviously this is extremely nuanced topic and his words can be twisted many ways. I stand by my personal understanding that he is primarily addressing separatism sentiment of people who see specifically Donbass occupation as desirable and permanent. | |
| Jun 27, 2022 at 17:15 | comment | added | Laurel | @Rarst What about the first paragraph from TASS that I quoted? He seems to be talking about people who have lived in Ukraine their whole lives who identify as Russian because they believe it should be Russia. (Ukrainian citizens, not Russian.) The problem with the second quote is that it has less of the speech. I found a YouTube video with the whole thing if that helps clear things up. (As a person who needs Google Translate to understand Ukrainian, that's probably as far as I can get.) | |
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| Jun 27, 2022 at 16:44 | comment | added | Rarst | He is not talking about people that feel Russian (Lavrov's claim), but people that feel Ukraine is Russia. The sentiment being addressed is separatism, not ethnical or cultural identity. I know Ukrainian and checked both translation and original. | |
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| Jun 27, 2022 at 14:46 | comment | added | bigbadmouse | @gerrit I think Mr Zelenskyy is actually ethnically Russian and has Ukrainian as a second language, so I assume he is probably aware of this distinction in the Russian language. | |
| Jun 27, 2022 at 10:17 | history | edited | Laurel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 27, 2022 at 10:17 | comment | added | days of love iff good genes | I've take the liberty to add a bit more context from the latter translation (although it is still somewhat stilted) Yeah he is saying that those who support the separatist regions (which he also implies want to join Russia) would be better off doing that by leaving. | |
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| Jun 27, 2022 at 9:59 | comment | added | einpoklum | @JörgWMittag: Nope, that's not what he's saying. He's saying that, and that you should leave. | |
| Jun 27, 2022 at 8:41 | comment | added | gerrit | In the Russian language, there are different words for the Russian ethnicity or citizenship (российский and русский). I don't know if such a distinction exists in Ukrainian or word Zelenskyy used, but there is a big difference between "we need to be with Russia" and "we are Russian", and to me saying that people who want to live in Russian territory should leave for Russia does not mean the same as saying that people who feel Russian should leave for Russia. If this is the source of Lavrovs claim, then IMO the answer is rather no. | |
| Jun 27, 2022 at 8:36 | comment | added | Jörg W Mittag | Essentially, what he is saying is that, if you like living in occupied Donbass, be aware that it will not be occupied forever. | |
| Jun 27, 2022 at 1:51 | history | answered | Laurel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |