Timeline for Do transgender women athletes have an advantage over cisgender women athletes?
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| Mar 8, 2021 at 22:07 | comment | added | T. Sar | Important note: Age matters a lot when dealing with subjects like this. A transwoman that transitioned early in life will reach very different results from one that did so later on (and this is one of the reasons that the discussion over the age the process can be started is important.) | |
| Mar 8, 2021 at 19:32 | answer | added | John Strachan | timeline score: 11 | |
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| Mar 5, 2019 at 20:20 | comment | added | dsollen | Since biological males tend to be taller then a biological females on average a trans women would be expected to be taller then a biological female. Many sports can be demonstrated to gain a height advantage, such as running where longer strides help, where taller athletes tend to do better. so in theory trans women would have height as a statistical advantage over biological females in many sports. Of course this is just a statistical trend, any particular trans women may still be shorter then a biological female for instance, so one could debate rather it is an 'unfair' advantage | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 15:46 | history | edited | Pablo | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 26, 2019 at 15:38 | comment | added | Pablo | @James I have to disagree that the question "Is it possible that a transgender woman is still as strong as she was before beginning to transition?", would be useful if we don't define what we mean with "transition", because it wouldn't actually adress they current discussion in media about this topic. Instead I have added the current IOC rules for participation of transgeder athletes to the question, to narrow how far in transition we are talking about. | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 15:26 | comment | added | Pablo | @laurel I think for how far in transition we are talking about, the IOC current rules are as good as we are going to get. I have added them to the question. | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 15:24 | history | edited | Pablo | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Add IOC current rules for transgender athletes
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| Feb 26, 2019 at 13:42 | comment | added | Murphy | @tim a completely and utterly average man is stronger than about 98% of all women. A fairly average kinda-couch-potato man has pretty good chances of still being stronger than a woman who trains extensively.(note bar for female athletes in the linked post) skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/39372/23087 | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 13:38 | comment | added | Murphy | I think the question needs to be more clear about if it's referring only to post-transition trans people on hormones or hormone blockers etc. | |
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| Feb 26, 2019 at 12:35 | comment | added | James | @tim: I do understand that a random man would not be competitive with an elite woman athlete. However, in general it is true that a man has an advantage when competing against women in some sports (power lifting, running, etc). Therefore, I think a man beginning to transition would, in general, also have an advantage over women. | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 12:25 | comment | added | tim | @James In the end, I don't think we can answer the question based on original research and interpreting data that is not directly related ourselves. Answers should ideally look at scientific studies which diretly analyzed the question. | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 12:23 | comment | added | tim | @James I'm not even sure we can agree on that. Top male athletes tend to out-compete top women athletes, but the inter-gender differences are large enough that you can't just take a random man and be sure that they have an advantage. And then there is of course the question how much of the advantage in top athletes is purely based on genes, and how much on socialization (eg if 1% of women play football since childhood, but 20% of men, then men would likely have better players, because the pool of potential players is larger). And then the question is how this socialization affects trans women. | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 12:14 | comment | added | James | @Pablo: I think we can all agree that a man has an advantage in some sports when competing with women. Therefore maybe a more useful question would be "Is it possible that a transgender woman is still as strong as she was before beginning to transition?" I think the answer is "Yes" because I think the term "transition" is subjective. | |
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| Feb 26, 2019 at 5:43 | comment | added | Nat | @Pablo It might help to focus things if you could select a very specific claim and quote it. I mean, this is an interesting issue that we could have a huge discussion about, but since such huge discussions don't really fit the StackExchange model, it'd help to have a specific instance of the broader claim for people to focus their analysis on. The exact claim you select will provide a context that'll provide a basis in which otherwise ambiguous concepts would be more well-defined. | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 5:39 | comment | added | Nat | A good answer to this problem should probably start with an analysis of what a "transgender woman" is in the context of the claim. If the claims are concerned about transgender women competing with biological women, then what're the statistics about transgender women in the context of athletes? For example, do X % of transgender-woman athletes undergo hormone treatment? If so, what sort of hormone treatment? Do they tend to vary from biological women in terms of height or weight, and if so, how? | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 1:32 | comment | added | Laurel | What type of transgender women? Trans women who haven't done anything to transition probably perform similar to men (and the question of how the best men and women do in sports has already been answered here). The question of whether trans women who have started transitioning is more interesting (although the answer may depend on how far through the process they are). | |
| Feb 26, 2019 at 0:46 | comment | added | Kevin | I have a feeling you have to get rid of all the 'subjective' events to try to answer this. Stuff like gymnastics, diving, figure skating, snowboarding, etc - it's all subjective, and it'd be pretty hard to figure out how to objectively measure the cross-gender success. | |
| Feb 25, 2019 at 18:27 | comment | added | Pablo | @DavidHammen That's my point? In gymnastics, there is no clear advantage in the men category over the women category. Yes, men would perform better in men's events if a women were to participate, but women would also perform better in women's events if a men were to participate. Therefore, there is no clear advantage. | |
| Feb 25, 2019 at 18:24 | comment | added | David Hammen | @Pablo - Gymnastics? Seriously? Men's and women's gymnastics are rather different. Male gymnastics focuses on body strength, particularly upper body strength, with three events (parallel bars, pommel horse, and rings) that solely rely on upper body strength. Female gymnastics has a reduced emphasis on upper body strength and enhanced emphases on agility, grace, and style. While the latter might well be a gender norm issue, the reduced emphasis on upper body strength arguably is not. | |
| Feb 25, 2019 at 17:17 | history | edited | Pablo | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Limit the scope of the question.
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| Feb 25, 2019 at 16:42 | comment | added | Pablo | @DevSolar I undersand your concerns, but I don't think that limiting it to one sport would work. What about limiting the question about sports where men categories have clear advantages compared to their respective women categories? That would rule out gymnastics, where there is no clear advantage in the men category. | |
| Feb 25, 2019 at 16:32 | comment | added | DevSolar | The list of differences between more feminine build and more masculine build is rather long. Limiting it to e.g. distance running would mean an answer could focus on cardiovascular performance, muscles, and bone length, and ignore things like agility (which would be rather significant for a gymnast). | |
| Feb 25, 2019 at 16:27 | comment | added | Pablo | @DevSolar Would it really be better to create a question for each sport, those questions nearly identical apart from the specific sport? | |
| Feb 25, 2019 at 16:24 | comment | added | DevSolar | A bit broad. Are we talking endurance running, or gymnasts? Weightlifting, or skeet shooting? | |
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