Timeline for Are global temperatures cooler in 2017 than 2007?
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| Aug 15, 2017 at 19:18 | comment | added | PoloHoleSet | Let us continue this discussion in chat. | |
| Aug 15, 2017 at 19:13 | comment | added | Oddthinking♦ | @PoloHoleSet: I am criticising THIS answer. THIS answer does not establish that. This answer does not address this link or this link. Stop calling people dishonest. | |
| Aug 15, 2017 at 19:11 | comment | added | PoloHoleSet | @Oddthinking - others have established that the original claims and charts have already been disavowed by the creators. Your summary of this link at "NOAA says" is exactly as I have characterized it. Funny that you expect people to follow all the sub-links, but seem to have avoided looking at the report that was the entire purpose of the link here. That does not strike me as an honest treatment of this answer. | |
| Aug 15, 2017 at 19:10 | comment | added | Oddthinking♦ | (I'll concede I was tricked by the poor formatting into thinking there were several different links, but it appears to be only two distinct ones.) | |
| Aug 15, 2017 at 19:08 | comment | added | Oddthinking♦ | @PoloHoleSet: Please remember our Be Nice policy and desist from the abrasive comments. The Climate Depot link says "Claims of “hottest year” or “hottest decade” are debunked here: " followed by two links. I summarised one of them. I'll await your apology for calling me dishonest. If there is an argument that those 2 links are all wrong, and the NOAA is right, great!, but it is not evident in this answer, hence my comments. | |
| Aug 15, 2017 at 16:33 | comment | added | PoloHoleSet | @Oddthinking - Totally dishonest characterization on your part. It's "NOAA publishes report from dozens of scientists worldwide, here is the report." It's also "Climate Depot quotes a single guy with a bachelors in meteorology with a proven track record of pseudo-scientific nonsense." And, no, the guy does not explain "why the NOAA is wrong," at all, while the NOAA includes highlights of seven especially notable findings, as well as the full report. There is zero explanation of why they claim NOAA is wrong, at all, just a posting of a chart with no meaningful analysis. | |
| Aug 15, 2017 at 16:14 | comment | added | PoloHoleSet | @AndresRiofrio - Except that one site, making a claim, is a site with an agenda and is well-known for posting misinformation and getting the facts wrong. The other is a scientific source with impeccable reputation that is used as a data source by relevant experts on the topic. So, no, it's just not simply "I have some other source that says different." | |
| Aug 15, 2017 at 5:15 | comment | added | jamesqf | @Oddthinking: One can, if so inclined, reproduce NOAA's derivation of global temperatures. But if I did that, not only would I have expended much time that I could have devoted to more enjoyable or remunerative pursuits, my answer would be condemned as "original research". So I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't. | |
| Aug 15, 2017 at 1:32 | comment | added | Oddthinking♦ | Climate Depot: "It isn't the hottest year on record. NOAA says it is, but they are wrong; these sources explain why [claimed increases are well within the margin of error]". This answer: "NOAA says it is." If that is the entire extent of the argument, Climate Depot wins, as they have explained why the NOAA is wrong, and there has been no counter-argument. | |
| Aug 14, 2017 at 20:44 | comment | added | Andres Riofrio | On a practical level, simply saying "oh, but look at this other source that claims something different" is not as helpful in trying to figure out which one is correct, especially in a field as contentious as climate change. | |
| Aug 14, 2017 at 14:57 | comment | added | PoloHoleSet | @Oddthinking - and this is factual data from a scientific source, with relevant, in-context explanation from that same source explaining what it means, that directly refutes the Climate Depot claims. Not sure why you think that's lacking. | |
| Aug 13, 2017 at 18:35 | comment | added | jamesqf | @Oddthinking: Showing accurate data demonstrates that the "Climate Depot" claims are false, by definition. If you want to know why and how it's false, that's a different question, and goes into areas of psychology and data fabrication that are above my skill level :-) | |
| Aug 13, 2017 at 8:21 | comment | added | Oddthinking♦ | The Climate Depot link in the question has a section of links that it says debunks the "hottest year" claims, so this is insufficient explanation without also explaining why their debunking is false. | |
| Aug 13, 2017 at 5:50 | history | answered | jamesqf | CC BY-SA 3.0 |