Timeline for Was there an organized early Jerusalem church?
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| Aug 15, 2015 at 0:45 | comment | added | Ron Maimon | @JacquesB: I understand the resolution to this question, through Richard Carrier's work. There is definite historical evidence of the Jewish Christians, and a Church descended from the Jerusalem Church, they appear. They just never took off like the Pauline Christians. The impossible event: Jews deifying a human messiah, this is also resolved by Carrier, through his mythicist hypothesis. There is complete continuity now between Christian and Jewish theology, and I have to reverse the assessment I gave 100%. Christianity is 60% Jewish and 40% Greek, and nothing about it is strange. | |
| Jul 25, 2015 at 9:13 | comment | added | JacquesB | @RonMaimon: Acts is definitely not written by Paul, so it is independent evidence. And both accounts (Acts and Pauls) specifically shows disagreement between Paul and the Jerusalem church, most specifically regarding circumcision. | |
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| Jul 25, 2015 at 4:19 | comment | added | Ron Maimon | @JacquesB: The events of acts are what I am questioning, as whether the author is Paul or someone else, the story that is told is largely the narrative of Paul's church, and the interactions with the Jerusalem church are scanty. In my reading, I never found a case where Jerusalem disagreed with paul. There is evidence for a Syriac church, and a Alexendria church (I think), but I don't see the aramaic documents, and I don't know the strength of the evidence for the Jerusalem church, nor its size or composition. I am not proposing a theory, I honestly just don't know whether it existed. | |
| Jul 24, 2015 at 18:53 | comment | added | JacquesB | @Oddthinking: I have removed the reverse request for evidence, but what I really want to know is if anybody (apart from the poster) actually believe this theory (that the church didn't exist), and in that case I am curious to see how they argue the case. I've never heard the theory before, so I'm doubtful how notable it is. | |
| Jul 24, 2015 at 14:58 | comment | added | JacquesB | @NeilMeyer: Sorry, it was me who stated it was en extraordinary claim that the Jerusalem church was fictional, and I requested some evidence from the OP. As per the request by Oddthinking I removed this request for evidence. | |
| Jul 24, 2015 at 14:54 | comment | added | Neil Meyer | @Oddthinking What exactly is so extraordinary about claiming there was a church in Jerusalem? | |
| Jul 24, 2015 at 13:51 | comment | added | JacquesB | @Oddthinking: OK, but there is independent historical proof of the Jerusalem Church in Acts. This is the "documentary evidence from people other than Paul" which the OP request. | |
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| Jul 24, 2015 at 13:36 | comment | added | Oddthinking♦ | While a typical debate might put the onus of proof on the personal making the extraordinary claim, by necessity it works the other way around onf Skeptics.SE. The onus is on the answerer to provide the evidence. This makes some claims unanswerable, but that's the price of being a Q&A site rather than an open debating forum. | |
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| Jul 24, 2015 at 7:18 | history | edited | JacquesB | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 24, 2015 at 7:13 | history | answered | JacquesB | CC BY-SA 3.0 |