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| Apr 6, 2015 at 18:35 | comment | added | wberry | @PandaBear Please write an answer containing your comments and arguments for debunking; I will upvote it. | |
| Apr 6, 2015 at 18:34 | history | edited | wberry | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Apr 6, 2015 at 18:18 | answer | added | wberry | timeline score: 3 | |
| Apr 6, 2015 at 15:00 | comment | added | wberry | @PandaBear All good points. Nonetheless the claim by Steve Jackson Games to be evaluated is that he was a "Murderer" who indulged in "Wrath". This claim can be weakly discredited by failing to find substantiation, and more strongly by finding fine-grained details on what he did, not just said and wrote, that isn't murder. (Stronger still by identifying a past, publicized false claim of murder.) I will relocate the discussion of my research into an answer. | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 17:05 | comment | added | The very fluffy Panda | The first quote "Bakunin......have meetings." doesn't necessarily imply murder. There are also smoke bombs or one can use bombs to scare people away. Read this en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batukeshwar_Dutt Bhagat Singh, an Indian revolutionary (also influenced by Anarchist philosophy and in particular Bakunin) used a smoke bomb. You should change the title of the question. And what is murder? Are American soldiers murdering members of the Taliban? It depends who you ask. One should avoid this language, at least on this forum. | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 16:33 | comment | added | The very fluffy Panda | How about this formulation - "Was Bakunin directly involved in ........?" you get the idea. I hope I making myself clear. P.S. I mentioned the distinction (legal vs moral), because it affects how we write about history. | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 16:31 | comment | added | The very fluffy Panda | So the label of 'enthusiastic partisan' should also be used carefully. There has to be distinction made between what is 'legal' and what is 'moral'. It may very well be the case that Bakunin was falsely associated with the certain violent parts of the anarchist movement, which already for the reason mentioned above was viewed negatively. It is very hard to give a concrete, sufficient answer to this question. You have to make it more specific. It seems it is also filled with a lot of non sequiturs, e.g. the bit about Karl Marx. (cont) | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 16:27 | comment | added | The very fluffy Panda | @wberry We and Chomsky live in a different political environment, though Chomsky has spent time in jail for civil disobedience during the 1960s. (Also look up Betrand Russell, he also identified with the idea of Anarchism) The use of the word 'overthrow' can be very misleading. Since any legitimate form of protest to change existing institutions can be labelled by a totalitarian state as terrorism. Difficult times require difficult measures which may or not include aggresive tactics. (cont) | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 12:45 | history | edited | wberry | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Apr 5, 2015 at 12:43 | comment | added | wberry | @PandaBear I grant you, on its face it sure looks like slander. (That's why I brought the question!) Character assassination is effective and has plenty of precedent. history.stackexchange.com/q/8661 But on the other hand, has Noam Chomsky "fought" or even been "an enthusiastic partisan" in any attempts to overthrow established governments? The question remains, if it is slander, then what did Bakunin do during these "abortive revolutions" his biographers mention so often? | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 12:21 | comment | added | Online User | Long question, maybe you can shorten it to make it interesting to read. | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 11:53 | comment | added | The very fluffy Panda | About the stereotype tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BombThrowingAnarchists (TV Tropes) and theanarchistlibrary.org/library/… (What is Anarchism?) | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 11:20 | comment | added | The very fluffy Panda | I mention this just as a cautionary note. Anarchism is just a set of political philosophies, and how individuals associate with it can be quite varied and different. Take the example of Noam Chomsky, he is more or less sympathetic to Anarchism, that is, he identifies with it. chomsky.info/books/state01.htm Also, the quote "Let us....all life" I think is not concrete enough to draw any inspiration for violent action. It can be used in various contexts. | |
| Apr 5, 2015 at 11:11 | comment | added | The very fluffy Panda | This might be of interest - theanarchistlibrary.org/authors/michail-bakunin A collection of his writings. The website is really good if you want to learn about Anarchism. I am not going to bother here but the stereotype of Bomb-Throwing Anarchists is misleading, inaccurate and inadequate. | |
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