Timeline for Do victims of rape have biological defenses that prevent pregnancy?
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| Dec 31, 2021 at 12:01 | comment | added | IMSoP | I fail to see how any of the subsequent statements change the key claim that "the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down". Evidence that rape leads to significantly fewer conceptions would be indirect support for that claim, but by your own argument we have no such evidence. No other evidence is presented regarding the proposed biological mechanisms, so what reason do we have left to believe the original claim any more than Bigfoot or secret lizard people? | |
| Apr 14, 2021 at 8:47 | comment | added | Shadur-don't-feed-the-AI | ... And even that number would be off, because we'd want to look at the number of aborted unplanned pregnancies due to consensual sex compared to the number of abortions due to rape pregnancies. I don't think those numbers are even available... | |
| Apr 14, 2021 at 8:45 | comment | added | Shadur-don't-feed-the-AI | @RayButterworth How many non-rape pregnancies are there per year? I get the feeling you're comparing apples to oranges; a better comparison would be to check whether abortions due to rape are more or less rare than abortions of -- and I hate myself for using the word -- 'legitimate' pregnancies... | |
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| Sep 15, 2019 at 2:10 | comment | added | Ray Butterworth | Both answers say 32,101 rape pregnancies per year. If they all resulted in abortions, that would be about 32/700, or 4.5% of all abortions each year. The actual number of rape pregnancies that result in abortion is far less than 100%, so the percentage of abortions due to rape are far less than 4.5%. I.e. the claim that abortions due to rape are rare is quite legitimate. Rape and Incest: Just 1% of All Abortions - The New York Times indicates that the actual rate for rape and incest combined is only 1%. | |
| Aug 2, 2014 at 1:51 | comment | added | user1873 | @Bobson, my answer was formatged to address the errors in SamIAm's answer. The first section, What was the Question, the OP and SamIAm both present the strawman argument that Akin's didn't make. Second section addresses legitimate rape, since Akins is arguing that it is rare and so legal abortions for it are a red herring. The last section, 32101 is to address the estimates in the study cited by SamIAm. The author of that study notes the estimate is in doubt. | |
| Aug 1, 2014 at 15:27 | comment | added | Bobson | @user1873 - Hmm. On first read-through, that didn't seem to be the point you were making, but on taking another look, I see that you do reach that in your conclusion. I still can't follow the arguments that lead up to it, though. | |
| Aug 1, 2014 at 14:53 | comment | added | user1873 | @Bobson, I don't understand what you mean by "wrong comparison." my answer clearly indicates that estimates on the percentage of rapes that lead to pregnancies is unknown. Large cohort studies that are used to generate estimates so far, aren't accurate (as indicated by Gottschall who used data from that study). which is why I concluded, "NO WAY anyone knows." | |
| Aug 1, 2014 at 14:24 | comment | added | Bobson | I feel like this answer makes the wrong comparison. Whether pregnancy from rape is rare or not can only be determined by comparing it to pregnancy from non-rape unprotected sex. If 3% of rapes lead to pregnancy, and 3% of cases of non-rape unprotected sex lead to pregnancy, then you can't meaningfully say that rape-pregnancies are rare. For that matter, I don't know if any of the statistics factor out raped women who were already on birth control pills, because that would certainly skew the percentages. | |
| Aug 31, 2012 at 0:53 | history | edited | user1873 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Aug 30, 2012 at 21:04 | history | edited | user1873 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Aug 30, 2012 at 14:37 | history | edited | user1873 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Aug 30, 2012 at 14:24 | comment | added | user1873 | @Oddthinking, (1-2) agreed removed. (3) and did you downvote or correct the OP ?, it still doesn't match Akins claim, rape preg is rare. (4) is in reference to Akins full context comments. It probably should be removed if other strawmen and inaccurate claims are removed. (5) cleaned up . (6) and in the other answer, you admit it is a strawman? (7) no one has presented any evidence, am I supposed to assume it exists? (8) that isn't the claim in your own words, Akin said according to doctors, it is rare, so he isn't wrong. | |
| Aug 30, 2012 at 14:08 | history | edited | user1873 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Aug 30, 2012 at 14:04 | comment | added | Oddthinking♦ | Oh, and I agree with the @Andrew that the gang-rape comment, especially given the context, is in pretty poor taste. | |
| Aug 30, 2012 at 14:03 | comment | added | Oddthinking♦ | (6) You introduce a lot of irrelevant evidence about the rate of rape leading to pregnancies, but the paper was only used as an existence proof (rapes can lead to pregancies) in the other answer, so it doesn't hit the mark. (7) Importantly, you have no reference for your conclusion, that no-one knows if there are such biological defences. (8) You don't even reach the obvious conclusion that, if you are right that there is no evidence, then Akin et al are still wrong by claiming there is. | |
| Aug 30, 2012 at 14:02 | comment | added | Oddthinking♦ | (4) You then compare rape pregnancies to the total number of abortions to show they are rare. There is no justification to this comparison, any more than comparing rape pregnancies to all pregnancies. 32,101 pregnancies is, in absolute terms, a lot of people affected by a potential law, irrespective of the of others. (5) You introduce a lot of irrelevant evidence about the frequency of false accusations. | |
| Aug 30, 2012 at 14:00 | comment | added | Oddthinking♦ | (3) Having the full context is good. It is clear that Akin was not saying the hypothetical biological defences were 100% successful. However, that his ultimate argument argument is different (that rape pregnancies don't justify abortion) does NOT mean he didn't make a false claim along the way. You haven't shown it is a complete strawman. In any case, the comments on the question show notability to the claim outside of just Akin. | |
| Aug 30, 2012 at 13:59 | comment | added | Oddthinking♦ | I think you may have some good points in here, but they needs to be dug out of a lot of extraneous info. I'm afraid it will take a few comments... (1) The assumptions in the disclaimer are false. You assume each upvote represents a detailed review. You assume each visitor is taking a stance, or even reading the question. This is misguided and lowers the tone for the rest of the answer. (2) Assigning proprtions of blame to Skeptics.SE individuals isn't helping your case either. It comes across as divisive. | |
| Aug 30, 2012 at 9:35 | comment | added | Golden Cuy | This question has a fair amount of original research in it. I'm a bit concerned about that. Also, while this doesn't directly affect the correctness or otherwise of your answer, a metaphor of Akin being gang raped is inappropriate to me. | |
| Aug 30, 2012 at 8:36 | history | answered | user1873 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |