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We've detected hundreds of planets outside of our own solar system, like the cluster around Gliese 581. Likewise, we're discovering distant brown dwarf stars quite quite frequently, such as the recent discovery of the potentially coolest brown dwarf ever recorded. But we have yet to definitely resolved the question of whether there is a planet, now usually called Tyche, less than half a light year away.

What is it about the detection process that has prevented us from saying for sure if there is a planet in the Ort cloud? My initial theory is that the planet doesn't pass between us and a star close to the planet. But I wasn't sure if there were other significant factors.

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The brown dwarf link is actually a brown dwarf CANDIDATE. I know that's a slight distinction, but in the field of astronomy, and when discussing Tyche, I think an important distinction to make. You may want to include the "potentially" in the URL for clarity's sake. :) – Larian LeQuella Mar 14 '11 at 0:57
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fair enough, done – Dogmafrog Mar 14 '11 at 1:04
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How is this on-topic? What claim or woo are you asking do debunk/confirm? Vote to close. – Sklivvz Mar 14 '11 at 8:31
That the planet Tyche exists, being a large object in our own solar system, yet we can't see it, though we've been able to see objects of similar size much further away. – Dogmafrog Mar 14 '11 at 17:28
This is just a science question, and belongs elsewhere. – DJClayworth Apr 28 '11 at 16:49
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It's a matter of location, location, location. Sadly, most of the methods we use for extra-solar planet detection don't work within our own solar system.

One of the primary ways we have detected planets around other stars is by gravitational tugging. This method of detection will be more prone to discover large planets that are close to the sun which they orbit. Our instruments are only sensitive to a degree that will allow us to detect a Doppler shift in the motion of the main star.

The other method for detecting planets is a transit method. This means a planet needs to pass between a star it orbits, and us. Obviously Tyche will not do this.

As for detecting a planet that could be anywhere from the Kuiper Belt to the Oort Cloud is a huge amount of space to cover (even given a relative distance of 0.25 light years away). Observation time on a telescope is not an automatic right given to anyone who wants to use it. And given the rather tenuous data on this supposed planet, most astronomers would most likely select to observe something else instead of going on what may appear to be a fruitless search.

Not to say that some are not looking for it. There is something about finding a planet that tends to put people in history books, and astronomers are human beings too. I'm sure some would relish the idea of finding one.

Dr. Phil Plait had a few things to say about this purported discovery:

Let me be clear: while certainly possible, this idea is not at all proven, and in my opinion still pretty unlikely. As usual, this started as a more-or-less accurate media story and is getting inflated as it gets re-reported. As far as I can tell, the original report was in the UK paper The Independent.

Here’s the deal. Two astronomers, John Matese and Dan Whitmire, have theorized about the possibility of a previously-undiscovered planet way beyond Pluto for some time. This is not a crazy idea; we see planets orbiting other stars way out, and there’s other evidence big planets can be pretty far out from the Sun (mind you, evidence does not mean proof). As it happens, there are lots of chunks of ice orbiting the Sun pretty far out as well. Some of these have orbits which bring them into the inner solar system, and we see them as long-period comets.

What Matese and Whitmire did was wonder how a big planet would affect the orbits of these comets. If you measured enough of them, would you see the effects of the gravity of this planet? They claim you can, and even gave the planet a tentative name: Tyche.

I read their papers, and thought the data were interesting but unconvincing. The sample size was too small. A bigger study was done, but again the effects weren’t quite enough to rise to the level of breakthrough. I’m not saying the astronomers are wrong — the data were certainly provocative, and potentially correct! Just not firm enough.

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Is it not possible to measure the gravitational tugging / dopler shift in the sun? – Dogmafrog Mar 14 '11 at 1:09
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Not on our own sun, because we are also in motion around it. We end up moving about with the sun itself. Our instruments just aren't sensitive enough to separate the movements of us moving as opposed to that caused by something else moving the sun. Especially for something with as slow an orbital period as the supposed Tyche. I think our own motion would cause more of a shift in the sun (inverse square law) than this theoretical planet. To be honest (and I have not run the math) I don't think we can detect Jupiter's effect on our own sun. – Larian LeQuella Mar 14 '11 at 1:19
If this planet is out at 15000AU or such the gravitational tugging it would do to the sun would be too small to measure as the inner planets and other effects would mask it. I would expect that it could be spotted by the LSST when it comes online in 2016 or so. (Assuming it exists at all) – Zachary K May 10 '11 at 5:09