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I recently came a cross a blog post that talked about DSD or Intersexuality as they rather call it. One of the claims that was made is that gender identity (that is, whether I think of myself as male or female) is a social construct (and implicitly, has no biological basis). This was taken to be almost self-evident due to the existence for trans genders (if there is a male which think and feel like his a female than obviously gender identity can't be the result of his biology).

I want to argue that this logic is flawed - since identity is product of the brain and not the sex organs. So the question becomes: is there any evidence to support that? Now, I seem to remember and old science TV show which argued that there are physiological differences between male and female brains and that in trans genders you really do find a female brain inside a male body (for example).

Is this true? Am I just imagining things? Any good studies to show one way or the other?

P.S.

For a bonus question: If there really is such a difference, can it be measured in new-borns?

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Part of the issue here is a clash of terms between gender and sex. Even if a biological basis does exist, there is also a strong social determiner. Many of the traits we typical assign one gender or the other are stereotypes based on gender roles. Aside from sexual attraction, how would you describe gender identity in a way that it would survive removing the person from all social interaction? As in, what part of the term's current application does not inherently involve society? If we can narrow this question down to that domain, it may be easier to find an answer. – MrHen May 26 '11 at 13:57
If anything, sexual attraction is not a good critiria for gender identity - just look at same sex couple. By gender itentity I mean that I think of myself as a male. Some people think of them selves as members of the other gender (which sometime leads them to have sex change opporations). Also, I'm sure what social impact there is (if any), but for the sake of the question we can limit our selves to western sociaty. – Noam Weiss May 28 '11 at 5:31
I had another comment and then decided to just go answer the damn question. :P – MrHen May 28 '11 at 14:28
Gender is a social construct but that does not imply, that it has no biological basis. – user unknown May 28 '11 at 18:57
@user unknown: I'm thinking that gender identity isn't a social construct. But you're right that even a social construct can have a biologicl basis. However, that was what the post I read implied (again, this is what the auther ws trying to make us believe, not that its a logical derivative). In that, as in the whole point in fact, I believe they were wrong. – Noam Weiss May 28 '11 at 19:22

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Going through the different parts of this question, here are the answers I found:

Are male and female brains different?

Yes. While searching around the internet I found a handfuls of websites with nearly all of them pointed to the same set of differences. I also found various references to studies that I was unable to access (or, admittedly, understand.) But I did find the article Are There Differences between the Brains of Males and Females? which I consider well presented, written and referenced. The article was by Renato M.E. Sabbatini and appears legit. The references are at the bottom of that page and seem to be from 1999 and before.

The main takeaways:

One of the most interesting differences appear in the way men and women estimate time, judge speed of things, carry out mental mathematical calculations, orient in space and visualize objects in three dimensions, etc. In all these tasks, women and men are strikingly different, as they are too in the way their brains process language.


On the other hand, women are better than men in human relations, recognizing emotional overtones in others and in language, emotional and artistic expressiveness, esthetic appreciation, verbal language and carrying out detailed and pre-planned tasks. For example, women generally can recall lists of words or paragraphs of text better than men.

These areas matchup with the other sites I found. Also, apparently male brains are physically larger (but this has no notable impact on intelligence.)

How are the differences measured?

Working from the same article above, the measurable differences used to be behavioral. People watched men and women do things and recorded the differences. More recently, they get to study the volume of certain areas of the brain; use functional imaging to determine brain activity during different tasks; and studying the brains of the dead.

Most of these methods were used when determining the above paragraphs of differences. The article details different methods used and provides example studies with their conclusions. Two such examples (emphasis added):

In another research, a group from the University of Cincinnati, USA, Canada, presented morphological evidence that while men have more neurons in the cerebral cortex, women have a more developed neuropil, or the space between cell bodies, which contains synapses, dendrites and axons, and allows for communication among neurons (8). According to Dr. Gabrielle de Courten-Myers, this research may explain why women are more prone to dementia (such as Alzheimer's disease) than men, because although both may lose the same number of neurons due to the disease, "in males, the functional reserve may be greater as a larger number of nerve cells are present, which could prevent some of the functional losses."


Although most of the anatomical and functional studies done so far have focused on the cerebral cortex, which is responsible for the higher intellectual and cognitive functions of the brain, other researchers, such as Dr. Simon LeVay, have shown that there are gender differences in more primitive parts of the brain, such as the hypothalamus, where most of the basic functions of life are controlled, including hormonal control via the pituitary gland.

Do the differences in the male and female brains alter gender identity?

A study on 14 infants born with cloacal exstrophy suggests that social impact alone may not completely override what we consider gender identity. Cloacal exstrophy is a horrible anatomical defect that involves severe complications to handfuls of different organs. Among the affected are both male and female genitalia. After birth, "the trend had been to surgically reassign males with cloacal exstrophy as females by removing the testes and constructing labia." The children were then raised as female.

The study included 16 subjects (emphasis added):

Of their 16 affected subjects, 14 had been reassigned female at birth. At follow-up, between ages 5 to 12, 8 of those reassigned female now identified as boys. The children and their parents completed a battery of questionnaires assessing psychosexual development, sexual identity, and gendered behavior. Follow-up assessments were done at least annually ranging from 34 to 98 months follow-up. All of the subject had moderate-to-marked male-typical attitudes and interests. The two children reared as males continued to identify as males. Of the 14 reassigned female at birth, five still persistently identified as girls, four spontaneously declared a male identity, and four chose to identify as boys after told that they were born male. Reiner and Gearhart note, in passing, that none of their genetically female patients with cloacal exstrophy demonstrated atypical gendered behavior or gender uncertainty.

How young can differences be measured?

The Sabbatini article only offers this note:

However, gender differences are already apparent from just a few months after birth, when social influence is still small.

More searching led me to a completely different article responding to the question, "Are there actually significant differences between a girl's brain and a boy's brain?" Unfortunately, the site is National Association for Single Sex Education, so they have some invested interest in this material. The references seem solid, however, so I will include the main points anyway (emphasis original):

The most profound difference between girls and boys is not in any brain structure per se, but rather in the sequence of development of the various brain regions. The different regions of the brain develop in a different SEQUENCE in girls compared with boys -- this is the key insight from recent research in brain development.


[Harriet Hanlon and her associates at Virginia Tech] found that while the areas of the brain involved in language and fine motor skills mature about six years earlier in girls than in boys, the areas of the brain involved in targeting and spatial memory mature about four years earlier in boys than in girls.

The age ranges relevant here drift from 8 to 11 to as young as 5. This last blurb pushes that even earlier:

On the other hand, researchers at Wellesley College found that 3-year-old girls could interpret facial expressions as well or better than 5-year-old boys could.

So, while I wasn't able to find something directly mentioning infants (other than one site debunking brain size as an identifier), it seems logical that more and more differences will be discovered between the male and female brain, some of which will probably be noticeable at birth.

Summary and conclusion

Male and female brains are different. The differences are measurable through methods that involve the actual brain instead of just categorizing behavior. In addition, that behavior pushed through social efforts to subvert gender identity in at least one study.

The differences between the male and female brain can be noticed in schoolchildren. Specifically, their abilities to process information of certain types. These differences appear to be mostly behaviorally studied but the edge of where those studies are is continually creeping toward infancy.

To directly answer your questions:

I want to argue that this logic is flawed - since identity is product of the brain and not the sex organs. So the question becomes: is there any evidence to support that?

Yes. There is evidence to support that gender identity is based on the physical brain (and its gender) and not merely socially assigned gender roles.

For a bonus question: If there really is such a difference, can it be measured in new-borns?

I wasn't able to find a specific reference to an observable difference in newborns but strongly suspect that such a difference exists based on the articles and studies I was able to find. Most of these studies appear to be focusing on overall differences.

Now, I seem to remember and old science TV show which argued that there are physiological differences between male and female brains and that in trans genders you really do find a female brain inside a male body (for example).

None of the articles I read even mentioned this topic. I suspect the problem here is just that of definition: Is sex or gender based on genitalia or neurology? It would make sense to pick one and work from there.

But regardless of the terms, there have been documented cases of people being born with both sets of genitalia. However you classify their body, the idea that their brain is either male or female (or both?) would assume that the brain is in a body that doesn't gender match. The topic is that of intersex.

That being said, an otherwise normally male brain in an otherwise normally female body is not quite a certainty based on the information I found. Most of the studies seem to be identifying male or female and then studying the brain. What you are looking for is a way to determine if a particular brain is male or female. That seems likely in the future. It also seems likely that people will be born with brains outside of the typical male/female definitions. Considering the varying intersex examples, it seems reasonable to think that your brain could be gender swapped. But I suspect we need to wait awhile for conformation.

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I'm sorry, but women are better than men in human relations - what is the metrics to tell what is better and what is not? Since men are humans, relations of men are human relations as well as female relations. If women are your model for human relations, they are better - if male relations are your model, male relations are better. – user unknown May 28 '11 at 16:51
"Human relations" is a field. And the rest of that paragraph should give you a start on what was meant: recognizing emotional overtones in others and in language, emotional and artistic expressiveness, esthetic appreciation, verbal language and carrying out detailed and pre-planned tasks. But these aren't my claims but the article's. – MrHen May 28 '11 at 17:26
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How does it come that most of the greatest artists, being it componists, painters, singers, musicians or authors of different kind are men? – user unknown May 28 '11 at 18:54
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I didn't talk about artistic potential, but about manifested artistic productions. If the most famous works relying on those abilities stem from men, do you believe it is reasonable to think the average woman is superior in that regard than the average man? Where are the exorbitant performances of woman? – user unknown May 28 '11 at 21:59
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@user: I don't think you understood my point. Nothing is suggesting that the average woman is superior in regards to manifested artistic productions. – MrHen May 28 '11 at 23:57
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Well, I did some searching on this and there does seems to be some research to support my claim! After some digging a found tht someone has already compiled a long list of papers on the subject: http://aebrain.blogspot.com/p/reference-works-on-transsexual-and.html

It seems that my initial though was right, going over the some (not all!) of this stuff there does appear to quite established that there are biological diffrences between "male brain" and "female brain", though the exact cause(s) to that and the process by which this comes to be are very much under research.

I also found a research done on mice: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14559357?dopt=Citation (you can read a short press article about it here: http://www.csulb.edu/~pamela/readings/Gender_Identity.pdf), which seems to suggest that we can go back as far as the embryo and still be able to say something about the future gendar\sexual of the mouse.

Comining the two together, it doesn't really provide an answer (to the bonus question) - but I now strongly believe (and I think with a good reason) that the answer would be "yes".

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