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John Carmack is a renowned developer and CTO. His Twitter account has over 100,000 followers.

On the occasion of Stack Exchange's 5th anniversary, he quipped on Twitter:

[... Stack Overflow] has probably added billions of dollars of value to the world in increased programmer productivity.

The tweet was widely read and retweeted over 100 times.

Is this claim supported by evidence?

What have I tried?

I've made a quick calculation to see if he was completely off the mark, but the numbers seem to add up to a layman like me.

  • Our visit counter recently overflowed Int32: 2,147,483,647.
    The above is a reference to my own tweet but I can also provide supporting evidence: the site is 5 years old and currently does around 6m visits/day
  • Average pay for a programmer in the UK is 45,000£/annum (source) or 22.5£/h. Let's assume a low pay of 20US$/h. I assume an hour is saved every time an answer is provided.
  • Each visit will potentially save some money, but only 77% of visits land on answered questions
  • There is a cost relative to answering a question, however answers are useful to hundreds of people.
  • There are many other factors I am not calculating: for example, does answering a question make you more knowledgeable? Does finding an answer make you less knowledgeable than you would be otherwise? I am ignoring these as this is a ballpark estimate, certainly not a valid answer to my own question.

To sum it up:

  • value provided = 2 billion page views * 77% answer ratio * 20US$ ≈ 30 billion US$

What kind of answer do I expect?

I expect answers to provide evidence to the value (or lack thereof, or cost!) of the increased (or decreased!) programmer productivity as to ascertain whether it is true that they are "probably billions". I do not really want to see calculations like the one I provided.


I work for Stack Exchange.

A Rather Unprecedented Moderator Note from @Oddthinking

This question has caused a startling amount of interest and discussion. A big welcome to the users from Hacker News and Reddit.

Everyone seems to have an opinion. Unlike those sites though, opinions generally aren't welcome here - as answers or in the comments. We are looking for definitive answers based on empirical evidence. Comments should be directed at improving the question, not at discussion.

This is a tough question. It isn't obvious how economists might measure value to an economy. It isn't obvious how computer scientists might measure productivity. It isn't obvious how much time it takes to answer or how much time is saved for each page view. There may be unintentional side-effects of making answers easy to find. etc. Arguments from incredulity are not a valid response to such difficulty.

Sklivvz has given openly naive answers to those questions, as a back-of-the-envelope calculation, and is asking if anyone has done the calculation professionally. If you can find such calculations in the literature, please answer the question. If all you want to do is point out the naive calculations are naive, let's take that as stipulated; it doesn't help answer the question.

In the meantime, the question has been "protected", so only users with a modicum of rep on the site may answer, and the comments have been cleaned up several times. If you want to comment on this mod note, please take it to meta.

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As a side note: there are many scientific studies regarding specificaly stack overflow, so it's not impossible that this value has been studied. –  Sklivvz Nov 30 '13 at 18:17
What is the total number of upvotes of answers on SO? –  Paul Dec 8 '13 at 20:39
@rob it all depends on how many assumptions we have to make. The more assumptions, the more uncertainty, and the more potential for pointless debate. As a sanity check, if you need to ask, you probably need to make a stronger case before posting. :-) –  Sklivvz Dec 11 '13 at 20:39
80K views and not a single answer!! –  Songo Mar 27 '14 at 14:30
This question claims exactly the opposite : workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/27555/… –  isJustMe Sep 29 '14 at 21:50

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