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This article at the Daily Mail describes a small heater based on tealights and flowerpots.

It claims that

  • [the system] "make[s] the heating more efficient" (I assume in comparison to just tealights)

Is this true?

(Based on this question, it seems all heaters are 100% efficient.)

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That question is referring to electric heaters. Heaters which burn fuel operate on entirely different principles. My understanding of thermodynamic efficiency is lacking; so perhaps all combustion heaters are also "100% efficient", but I know for a fact that the fuel type (dry wood, wet wood, oil, coal, etc), and how the heat is dispersed can make a huge practical difference in how useful a heater is. Since your tealight exhaust is not going out a chimney, though, it does seem to me that a pot would make little difference to the overall "efficiency" (or whatever word fits best). –  Flimzy Nov 9 '13 at 12:18
    
While the Mail's explanation is a bit suspect, and some of the arrows on their diagram appear to point in the wrong direction, I imagine that this approach would improve the efficacy of a tea light compared to leaving it bare. Convection would give a constant air current going in the bottom and out the top of the outer pot, which might (a) distribute the warmed air better than a naked tea light, and (b) provide plenty of fresh air to the flame, possibly allowing it to burn faster or hotter. How great either of these effects is, however, I have no idea on... –  Simon W Nov 9 '13 at 12:25
    
I don't think a tee light has that enough energy to heat the room significantly, –  ratchet freak Nov 9 '13 at 14:19
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@Oddthinking I focused the question on efficiency. I thought the second bullet point was relevant because it claimed the mechanism for the increased efficiency: "the candles produce gases full of heated particles that are captured and channelled through the pots". They're saying this system is more efficient, and this is why. –  user5582 Nov 11 '13 at 17:37
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@Articuno - I modified my answer (buried down in the negative votes) to address the idea of improving efficiency by channeling the heated gases through the pots as an efficient masonry stove does. –  Mark Nov 15 '13 at 13:11

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I'll try my shot at giving a good referenced answer.

The claim

As evidenced in this clearer explanation of the claim, by efficiency it is meant that the heat of the candles is retained by the pots and released slowly. There is also a secondary claim that this makes the system efficient enough to heat an open space. There is no claim that the total energy output is increased.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzKbFzUEWkA

Is the heat retained longer?

It seems to be self evident that it is, for some time. So there is an improvement there. Such an effect, is actually a sought-after property of heaters. However, clay and air are not good storage mediums for heat and in commercial heaters the choice is oil:

For convection (non-radiant) space heaters, the best types incorporate a heat transfer liquid, such as oil, that is heated by the electric element. The heat transfer fluid provides some heat storage, allowing the heater to cycle less and to provide a more constant heat source.

source

This is simply due to the specific heat capacity of the materials, air (1005 J/kg°K) being worse than clay (1381 J/kg°K), being worse than mineral oil (1670 J/kg°K).

Is the heating power enough?

Heating power is measured in BTU [which is a few percent larger than 1 kJ], while the exact details of how many BTU are required per room depend on the size, insulation of it and the efficiency and positioning of the heating unit, there are standard calculations and examples which are used to size heating unit in houses. For example, in the source above typical characteristics of a heater are given between 10 and 40 kBTU/h (about 3-11 kilowatts). In my experience, often a 2kW (6800 BTU/h) heater is also enough, so I'll use that as a lower limit.

Space heater capacities generally range between 10,000 BTU and 40,000 Btu per hour, and commonly run on electricity, propane, natural gas, and kerosene (see wood and pellet heating for information on wood and pellet stoves).

Now, how many candle do we need to produce 10 kBTU/h? It turns out that the energy output of candles is well studied:

From measurements of the mean mass loss rate (0.105 g/min) and hceff (43.8 kJ/g), the steady-state heat release rate from the candle was calculated as 77±9 W

Which can be converted to be 263 BTU/h.

Therefore, by division, a 6.8kBTU room heater corresponds to 26 candles. It is easy to see that the heat released by 4 candles, as in the claim, is 6.5 times smaller than an electric heater and thus vastly insufficient to heat a room.

Safety

Such a home made heater is also unsafe. I am adding this even if a bit off topic to make sure that any future visitor gets a warning. From the first source.

Unvented combustion units are not recommended for use inside your home, because they introduce unwanted combustion products into the living space—including nitrogen oxides, carbon monoxide, and water vapor—and deplete air in the space. […]

Electric space heaters are generally more expensive to operate than combustion space heaters, but they are the only unvented space heaters that are safe to operate inside your home.

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What I got from the original video of the claim is that this only works in a small room (with a computer running) and the amount of heat is subjective. Can you quantify the heating power to more familiar units to give an idea of the BTU in a practical sense? My concern is that room temperature is subjective so if it is enough to heat the room up 1°C it might be "cool but comfortable" for one person, but "cold" for another. Personally, I suspect that the computer is putting off more heat than the candles. ;) –  rjzii Nov 12 '13 at 14:03
    
As I've shown, the amount of heat (per second) is thoroughly objective and it's around 80W - similar to a lightbulb. A commercial stove is around one 1000W. A computer is around 400W. I am not quite sure what do you mean when you say temperatures are subjective. Temperatures are a function of heat. Also, BTUs are standard commercial units (in other words, if you go buy an appliance, that's how they are rated on the box...), if you find Watts better, see above :-) –  Ebenezer Sklivvze Nov 12 '13 at 14:08
    
(cont.) Otherwise, if there's a better measurement, I'll gladly add it, but I'm not quite sure what. Suggestions? –  Ebenezer Sklivvze Nov 12 '13 at 14:09
    
Well, I managed to find a BTU calculator that shows the amount needed to raise the temperature of a room by a given amount and updated my answer accordingly. I do think that a lot of the answers lost sight of the fact that the original claim was for a very small small room (bed, desk, not much else) and from the looks of the math it seems that a 3°C increase in temperature is possible. –  rjzii Nov 12 '13 at 14:29
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I am missing something in this whole discussion. "Such an effect, is actually a sought-after property of heaters." The reason this is sought after is unclear to me - once price and eco-friendliness is covered, I value a heater by its ability to heat my skin quickly, not its internal parts. The fact that it will continue to heat the room after I have turned it off and left the room seems wasteful. –  Oddthinking Nov 12 '13 at 14:52

The original video and forum post does a much better job explaining what is going on and states that the four (4) tea light candles are being used to warm the smaller inner flower pot which has the top drain hole blocked off while the large outer flower pot is used to create a convection effect that draws air past the warm inner pot and out the top. The narrator explains the effect as follows,

So, what you have is an inner core of a flower pot which gets very hot and then you have this one [pointing at the outer pot] which doesn't get massively hot but it does get warm. But what you get is a convection up here [pointing at the bottom of the pot] and out the top and it really, really flows out well.

The video also notes that a computer is also being run at the same time and the room isn't too large, as it only appears to contain a queen sized bed and desk. This also isn't a very new idea since the same idea was advocated during World War II by Great Britain for use in shelters,

Here's a simple flower-pot heater
Stand the candle in a 6-inch flower-pot so that the hole is not covered; put a second flower-pot over the top. The top pot soon warms up, giving off a lot of heat. Raise the lower pot off the ground.

Also, it is important to note that tea lights are named such because one of their purposes is to warm tea or in food warmers and products are sold with this in mind.

Judging the efficiency of the device is difficult; however, one analysis of a burning candle showed that most of the heat travels in a column over the candle itself,

Candle burning simulation

From this standpoint, anything that that allows for the heat put off from the candles to circulate through the space is going to improve the subjective efficiency over just using bare candles. However, as noted in Sklivvz's answer, the heat output of candles is well studied,

From measurements of the mean mass loss rate (0.105 g/min) and hceff (43.8 kJ/g), the steady-state heat release rate from the candle was calculated as 77±9 W

which works out to about 262.7 BTU/h or 1050.9 BTU/h for the four of them.

At this point it is important to draw attention to the fact that the maker of this claim is using it while running a computer in his room. Desktop computer put out heat that can affect the room temperature. If we use a conservative value of 145 watts of heat or 494.8 BTU/h based upon the conversion which is also contributing the room temperature.

According to a BTU calculator, 341 BTU (99 watts) are needed to raise the temperature of a 2x4x3 meter room (very rough estimate based upon the apparent queen size bed and desk present in the video) with normal insulation 1°C. This means that under ideal circumstances, that it may be possible for the candles to raise the temperature of the room 3°C with the computer possible contributing another 1°C of heat. As such, in a small room room it is plausible that a small, colder winter room (i.e. under 20°C) the combined 4°C increase in temperature might be sufficient. However, such an effect would be highly dependent upon the size of the room, location of the heater, drafts, and personal preference in room temperatures.

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I can't understand how the flower-pot makes a difference. In either case, the heat will be travelling up - via hot air heated by the terracotta or via hot air heated directly by the candles - and creating a convection current to gradually warm the whole room. Or is there something I am missing? –  Oddthinking Nov 10 '13 at 5:35
    
@Oddthinking My understanding is that the inner flowerpot traps the heat and gets heated up and then the outer flowerpot creates the convection current to circulate the air and forces the rooms air to circulate more than it normally would otherwise. Without actually setting things up and doing measurements I have no idea as to how much that circulation would amount to. I did run across a couple survival tips for the same thing so really the temperature of the room at the beginning is something to note since a 1 to 2°C difference in a cold room could be subjectively more than in a warm room. –  rjzii Nov 10 '13 at 17:29
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Rob, I hope I am not being obtuse, but this doesn't help me. What you say seems right, but no different to the alternative. Take away the flowerpots, and leave the candles: the candles directly heat the air, which causes it to rise, which creates convection currents. I can see that the flowerpot would tend to heat a greater volume of air a smaller amount compared to the candle, but the mixing of air would presumably make them equivalent within, say, 30 seconds. Perhaps this should go to chat? –  Oddthinking Nov 10 '13 at 23:52
    
@Oddthinking You're not being obtuse but there also isn't much farther to go with your issue with the flowerpots. In other-words, short of actually setting up an experiment and making measurements, I wasn't able to find much more than what I put in my answer. Although, the the paper I linked to doesn't really seem to support a convection current being created from the burning of a candle in and of itself. –  rjzii Nov 11 '13 at 1:38
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I think the big difference is that most of the heat from an open candle is carried to the ceiling by convection, where it is essentially lost. The flower pot absorbs a lot of that heat and radiates it to the room, rather than going straight to the ceiling, so it really does improve the heating effectiveness of the candles. I'm guessing there is not a clear understanding of radiation vs. convection in the video. –  Mark Nov 12 '13 at 2:13

Yes, it is more efficient than just tealights, though still a very small source of heat.

You note that "all heaters are 100% efficient." This is partially true - all heaters convert virtually all input energy into heat, thus achieving near 100% efficiency. However, if that heat simply rises to the ceiling by convection it doesn't do much to warm the room or its occupants. Radiant heat flows directly from the source to people and objects in the room, and is much more effective as noted in Wikipedia:

The internal air temperature for radiant heated buildings may be lower than for a conventionally heated building to achieve the same level of body comfort, when adjusted so the perceived temperature is actually the same.

This system appears to be a more effective way to heat than an open candle flame, because the flame heats the clay pot, which radiates the heat to the room. The total heat input is still very small, however, as noted below.

The design can be viewed as a much smaller and simplified version of a masonry fireplace. A normal fireplace is very inefficient because most of the heat is carried up the chimney by convection. As noted here,

At best, an open fireplace is no more than 20 percent efficient.

Efficiencies can actually be much lower, and even negative if large amounts of room air are drawn out through the chimney.

An open candle operates similarly when viewed as a heater. This reference determined the amount of energy radiated from a candle through laboratory testing:

The radiative fraction was determined by finding the ratio of the radiative emission and m x Hc [my note: this is the total heat produced by combustion], which yielded a value of 0.17 +/- 0.01.

Thus, 17% of the heat produced by an open candle flame is radiated to the surroundings, with the remaining 83% carried away by convection. This convective loss is equivalent to the convective loss up the chimney for an open fireplace, as it rises rapidly to the ceiling where it is effectively lost.

A much improved design for a fireplace forces the combustion gases to flow through a circuitous path made of masonry materials, which absorb heat from the gases and radiate it to the room. This improves the overall efficiency of heating to much higher levels. Here is a study which showed one masonry fireplace achieved a heating efficiency of just under 80%. The stove looks like this in cross section: Contraflow masonry heater

The gas flows are similar to the flower pot arrangement as shown here:

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Thus, the tealight and flower pot function as a small-scale masonry fireplace, reducing the convective losses and increasing radiation to the room, as opposed to an open candle which functions like an open fireplace, with most of the heat lost by convection up the chimney.

While the flower pot does increase the effectiveness of the candles as heaters, a few calculations can show how little heat it actually produces:

Tea lights are made of paraffin wax, and are commonly about 38 mm in diameter and 16 mm high, and burn for 3 to 5 hours (per Wikipedia). Paraffin wax has a density of about 900 kg/m3, and a heat of combustion of about 46 MJ/kg. running through the math, we get 0.75 MJ/candle, and assuming a 4 hour burn time and 100% combustion efficiency (which is close, though not exact) that is a power output of 187,500 J/hr, or 52 watts.

If 4 candles are burning at one time, this is 208 watts - probably quite close to the heat being generated by the two computers and two desk lamps in the room shown in the video.

Would it be better to put a light bulb inside a flower pot? Probably, since it wouldn't produce any combustion by-products such as carbon monoxide, which flames inevitably do. But from a purely economic point of view, it may actually be cheaper to use the candles, if the pricing claim is true. If the candles truly cost 1 £ for 100, then the heat costs about 5 pence per kW-hr, which is lower than the 14 pence I found by looking at British electric rates. However, the cheapest source I found for these candles in the US is $6 per 100 (3.75£/100). At this price, the candle heat costs about 18 pence per kW-hr, which is more than electricity.

Finally, there is nothing new about this idea. Googling "Candle Heater" brings up all sorts of sites, such as this one with flower pots

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Most of this answer addresses the economic (dis-)advantages. Your first sentence addresses the actual question, but just repeats the claim without references. –  Oddthinking Nov 10 '13 at 5:32
    
I just weighed some tea candles: the normal ones were 14 g each, that is 650 kJ HHV. I also found some old (> 25 a) ones, which were 17 g each (780 kJ HHV). –  anonymized Nov 10 '13 at 20:15
    
This is a theoretical answer, but we expect answers to be based on facts - not to make a speculative prediction. Please don't do original research here. –  Ebenezer Sklivvze Nov 11 '13 at 10:19
    
I think the flower pot does improve the heating effectiveness by increasing the radiated heat while reducing the convected heat, although it's still a very small heat output. I've looked for something to substantiate an answer either way but haven't found anything other than theoretical arguments saying it can't work because the heat input is so small, and anecdotes saying it really does work. Would a comparison with fireplace or stove design, which use a similar concept be a reasonable approach? If not, perhaps the question just can't be answered until someone does a scientific study. –  Mark Nov 12 '13 at 0:04

How much will 4 candles heat a room? It depends, but probably not much.

According to Wikipedia, candles give off heat at a rate of approximately 80 W. The source cited by Wikipedia actually lists 77 W +/- 9 W on page 277.

Burning 4 candles simultaneously for 8 hours produces 2.464 kWh. ( 4 candles x 8 hours x 0.077 kW )

The formula for how much this amount of energy can heat the air is:

amount of heat = [specific heat of air][4] x [mass of air][5] x temperature difference

or

temperature difference = amount of heat
                         ----------------------------------
                         specific heat of air x mass of air

I estimate the room in the video to be 15m3 (4m long x 2.5m high x 3m wide x 0.5 because it's triangular.)

2.464 kWh = 8,870 kJ.

temperature difference = 8,870 kJ
                         ----------------------------------
                         1.0035 kJ/kg.K x 18 kg

Which gives a heating amount of approximately 491 °C if you assume there is no loss of heat from the system. Of course, this is an unreasonable assumption.

Calculating heat losses is a little more complicated and requires knowing what kind of insulation the room has, what temperatures exist on the other side of each wall and what drafts there might be

Using a simplistic model and the values given for heat conductivity used in this blog post and these values for the dimensions of the room in the video:

  • floor: 12m2
  • walls: 7.5m2
  • main wall: 10m2
  • roof: 15m2

We can maintain a temperature difference of 12 °C between inside and the outside using the 308 W given off by the four candles combined.

Adding in a 2m2 glass window to the room using the heat conductivity value from Wikipedia changes the result drastically. With that window allowing heat to escape, the four candles can only maintain a 1 °C difference between inside and outside.

Even if we assume that the air is still and only half the room heats up, that's only 2 °C.

The answer

It's complicated, but unless you have a very well insulated room, four candles are barely going to make a difference.


I'll also have a go at answering the unspoken question "Are tea lights cheaper than conventional heating?" for interest's sake.

The video states that the tea lights last 4 hours so the total for the day comes to 8 candles at a cost of 8p.

Current gas and electricity prices in London (from uSwitch):

  • Electricity unit rates 13.550p per kWh
  • Gas unit rates 4.162p per kWh

The same amount of heating using an electric heater (assuming 100% efficiency) would cost approximately 33p.

The same amount of heating using a gas heater (assuming 100% efficiency) would cost approximately 10p.

The tea lights are cheaper but not by much. And only if you ride or walk to Ikea.


Assuming that cheap candles produce the lower rate of heat (68W) the total heat given off by the 8 tea lights over the day would be 2.176 kWh. The cost of this much gas is approximately 9p which is still more expensive than the 8p worth of tea lights.


Adding in a value based on Mark's calculation that a tea light gives off 52 W, the equivalent amount of gas would cost 7p.


Tea lights are currently £1.75 / 100 pack on Ikea's website which changes the heating cost from 8p per day to 14p per day.


Tea lights would be more convenient on a boat or in an attic which may not be supplied with gas and electricity.

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This answer argues that 4 candles give off about 300 Watts of heat, and that's pretty weak, and that cost per kilowatt is close to other sources. It doesn't address the biggest mystery (at least to me): does the flowerpot help in any way? –  Oddthinking Nov 11 '13 at 0:51
    
This is a theoretical answer, but we expect answers to be based on facts - not to make a speculative prediction. Please don't do original research here. –  Ebenezer Sklivvze Nov 11 '13 at 10:23
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@Sklivvz Nearly everything in this answer is referenced from somewhere. I wouldn't consider plugging numbers from the claim into well-known formulas original research. The exception is that the size of the room in the video is estimated and the insulation capacity of the walls is an assumption but it's a conservative assumption. Reality is likely to be worse. Anyone trying to evaluate the first claim for their own situation using my answer will need to use their own room size and insulation numbers anyway. –  Ladadadada Nov 11 '13 at 10:50
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There is a huge, huge gap in your references. I don't debate your theoretical physics, but you fail to show that your toy model actually describes the real world. You are making another claim. Examples: "How much do four candles heat a room?" Optimal -> "Actually, it has been measured to be...". Acceptable -> "It has been calculated to be...". Unacceptable -> "Based on my own measurement it is..." "Based on my own calculations it is..." –  Ebenezer Sklivvze Nov 11 '13 at 11:06

Summary:

  • the main physical effect I can see of the flower pot is increased heating power due to faster rate of burning.
  • But burning candles (or any other fuel) indoors without a proper exhaust/chimney to take care of the exhaust gas is not a bright idea!
  • And four candles burned over 8 h is about an order of magnitude below civil engineering recommendations for installed heating power.

I just weighed some tea candles

  • some old ones 17 g each - look taller than normal (box said they were sold for 1 DM/10 pcs, but that was at least 25 years ago)
  • newer ones: 14 g each - I'll use these for calculations.

The heat of combustion for paraffin is about 46.00 MJ/kg higher and 41.50 MJ/kg lower heating value, respectively Thus, each of the 14 g candles can give ca. 650 kJ, or approximately 2.5 MJ in 4 tea candles (HHV). For the LHV, we get 580 kJ / candle and 2.3 MJ for 4 candles. The higher heating value HHV is calculated assuming that all hydrogen in the wax will at the end become liquid water, the lower heating value LHV leaves the water as vapor.

Heating a room in winter, you'll probably get the HHV, but that means that the room will get damp (unless you air it, and then you loose your precious heat through the air exchange).

Already without flower pots, a candle with properly trimmed wick will not soot, so we can assume losses due to incomplete combustion to be negligible. Radiation losses are negligible as well - particularly if you close the curtains because you are in a precarious heating situation. We can thus say that the candle already without flower pot is a 100% energy efficient heater.

Thus, the flower pot cannot enhance the energy efficiency of burning the candles.

However, there are some effects the flower pot construction can have:

  • Physico-chemically, if the flower pot construction works like a chimney, and possibly even like a chimney that preheats the air, then the candle can burn faster (higher power). Of course, it will burn out accordingly faster.
    (literature: go for an industrial chemistry textbook discussing furnace constructions)

  • I don't think that the flower pot helps much against the convection. However, I don't have measurements to support this. But, if that would be the desired effect, the stove should be placed on the floor just under the window, where the upward convection from the stove works against the cold downward convection from the window, (or maybe a bit further up in front of the window, so we can get the benefit of the radiation heating).
    This would be the claim about the judicial positioning helps, which is true (I remember that we learned these heater positioning concepts with the usual convection heaters in elementary school).

  • Physiologically and probably also psychologically, one important difference between convector heating and heating by a stove is that with the stove more of the heat transfer occurs by radiation instead of by conduction and convection (via the air). Therefore, the heat perception can be vastly different even though the air temperature did not change that much.

    The perception of a human being of heat, cold or thermal comfort does not react on the air temperature only. In an often comparable order, solar radiation, wind velocity, humidity as well as heat radiation of atmosphere and ground (Landsberg 1972, VDI 1998) have a decisive influence.

    (JENDRITZKY, G., STAIGER, H., BUCHER, K., GRÄTZ, A., LASCHEWSKI, G., 2000. The Perceied Temperature: The Method of the Deutscher Wetterdienst for the Assessment of Cold Stress and Heat Load for the Human Body. Internet Workshop on Windchill, Environment Canada)

    So in order to get a comfortable amount of heating, with direct radiation we may be able to heat only when we are in the room and need the heat and possibly deliver it better where we need it (as opposed to heat all the air and the walls, with the corresponding increased heat losses).

    However, I do not see why a flower pot would help with the radiation part (over open candles). The more consequent implementation of this idea to deliver the heat where we need it are pocket stoves.

I did not find good literature on the difference between radiation heat and air temperature, but these slides in German language have interesting data on comfort zones depending on air and (wall) surface temperature and state that radiation heating can save 15 - 30% of heating energy and this manufacturer of radiation heaters claims that the perceived temperature with radiation heater is 2 - 3 °C above the air temperature, and that as a rule of thumb 40 - 60 W / m² (assumed 2.5 m room height) should be installed

Taking the 15 m² from @Ladadadada's answer, they would argue that 600 - 900 W heating power is needed. That would be burning ca. 3 1/3 - 5 candles per hour. However, this calculation does not take into account that if you burn the candles at that rate, you need to start thinking about exhaust gas in your room air: 5 candles are 70 g and need about 150 l of oxygen to burn (and will produce about 100 l CO_2 and another 100 l of water vapor (or 26 ml of liquid water)).

This paper about indoor air quality (Gesundheitliche Bewertung von Kohlendioxid in der Innenraumluft, Bundesgesundheitsbl - Gesundheitsforsch - Gesundheitsschutz, 2008, 51:1358–1369, DOI 10.1007/s00103-008-0707-2) by the German Umweltbundesamt cites the outdoor air concentration of CO2 usually around 400 ppm, while indoors averages of between 800 and 3000 ppm were found. 1400 ppm is considered the limit for bad indoor air quality (good indoor air quality is with < 800 ppm). Thus, we can produce 1000 ppm (1 l / m³) until the bad air limit is reached. With our estimated total room volume of 37.5 m³ that would be reached after 22,5 min. We'd need to air the room completely almost 3 times per hour - that would completely cancel out our heating efforts!
Of course, if we could cut still cut this down to airing the room only every hour or so - but we'd already be in an atmosphere were studies (see the paper above) found school children to perform worse on cognitive tasks.

So yes, it is really not a bright idea to try heating a room by combustion without having the fumes led out by a proper exhaust!

@Mark estimates that each tea candle (at a burning rate so that it lasts 4 h) produces about 50W heat. This is in the same order of magnitude or somewhat lower as a human doing office work. In other words, instead of burning 4 tea candles over 4 h, you could also ask 2 or 3 buddies to join you - they'd have the same heating effect.
I calculated this example because it probably allows us to have a better intuitive perception of how much heating we can (or rather: cannot) expect from the candles.

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Would the 2 or 3 buddies produce as much CO2 exhaust as the candles? –  ChrisW Nov 10 '13 at 22:39
    
This is a theoretical answer, but we expect answers to be based on facts - not to make a speculative prediction. Please don't do original research here. –  Ebenezer Sklivvze Nov 11 '13 at 10:23
    
@ChrisW: if they burn fat then yes (approximating both food lipids and paraffin wax by CH2), if they burn carbohydrates (approx. CH2O) they produce even more CO2. (Note the studies cited in the air quality paper which found that school rooms frequently were far above the bad air quality limit) –  anonymized Nov 11 '13 at 19:16
    
@Sklivvz: a) please explain in detail what part(s) of the answer you think speculative - the only part where I'd immediately agree that it is speculative is where I state that I sceptical against the "convection theory" but do not have data on this. IMHO this way I give what information I have, but at the same time make the limitations clear. –  anonymized Nov 11 '13 at 19:19
    
@Sklivvz: b) Note that I use these thoughts not to promote some speculations about teapot candle stoves but in order to provide a "sanity-check" whether the claims could possibly be true. I arrive at the conclusion that there are discrepancies of an order of magnitude. That's all. You're welcome to do an error propagation analysis on my calculations. –  anonymized Nov 11 '13 at 19:23

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